As the lemmygrad community was heavily in agreement of merging our many (~10) “Shit X Say” communities into one, we are moving forward with that.
But here I’m proposing the last call to make your voice heard before we start deleting stuff.
Our proposition is to have 2 communities :
- Keep ShitLiberalsSay for all things from reactionaries and non-communists, because it’s a big and active community
- Create a new ShitUltrasSay community for all things from “leftists”, e.g. MLMs, anarchists, trots, patsocs, ultras, leftcoms…
The merger will look like this (again still a proposition):
- In a first step, a grace period of several days is allowed so that you can save content from all the deleted communities. We’ll also announce which communities will be merged where.
- In a second step, we will delete the superfluous communities. This means all their content and comments will be deleted from the front end, but still accessible via direct link.
- In a third step, we have to assign the new ShitUltrasSay community (not yet created) to someone. I’m not entirely sure about how to solve that yet. If all the current mods of Shit X Say community want to pitch in and decide between themselves if they want to mod together or something.
- After that, we will clarify in the main sidebar that everything should be posted in those two communities and we will delete all new communities that bear the Shit X Say label that can fit into one of the two existing communities.
All inputs welcome of course.
My suggestion is that Shit Liberals Say be renamed to Shit Reactionaries Say and the following groups be stored in there: liberals, patsocs/nazbols, fascists, conservatives, anarchists (some) and similar
Plus, a group to be added named Shit Ultras Say to include the following groups: Maoists, Hoxhaists, Gonzalists, anarchists (some) and similar
Seconding renaming SLS to SRS
It’s doable but the only issue is that the url will still be lemmygrad.ml/c/shitliberalssay
Can all the content be migrated to a new community that has the proper URL (idk if Lemmy software has this kind of functionality). Only if it’s something that’s feasible and doesn’t require much effort from the admins of course, since renaming is much easier than all that.
Possibly if we go into the database and do it manually. But even then I’m not sure it’s feasible, it might break stuff.
I second this. I have one of the ultraleft posting subs. Let me know if / when I should close it.
If only we can have those flairs from reddit then we would’ve probably avoided this mess
Yeah as it is I expect people will have to tag their post in the title with the good old [ ]. At least you can edit titles on lemmygrad
Two things:
- For the second step, wouldn’t it be enough to mark the old communities as mod-only (unless they have very few posts)?
- PatSocs would probably fit better in SLS (certainly in Shit Reactionaries Say, if SLS ends up being renamed) since they’re not ultra-leftists
Aside from that, I think this sounds good
For the second step, wouldn’t it be enough to mark the old communities as mod-only (unless they have very few posts)?
We can’t do it directly, mods would have to do it themselves and then we’d have to trust them to keep to that and not try to revive their community. Which hasn’t been a problem yet, but the way it works on Lemmy is not very in-depth yet. Likewise I’m not sure if people can’t post comments still, I would be tempted to try it out if you want to try and post a comment to https://lemmygrad.ml/c/communication for the test (it’s mod-only for now)
PatSocs would probably fit better in SLS (certainly in Shit Reactionaries Say, if SLS ends up being renamed) since they’re not ultra-leftists
Yeah, I figured this was gonna be a tough one to pick lol. Do we want them in with the ultras or the libs? Well, I’ll let the community decide haha
got it; deleting them sounds fine to me, then, as long as there’s time to back up some of the old posts and it’s clear which communities will be removed
Mod-only my butt
Yep I saw that lol, only limited to posts and not comments.
Are you sure I can’t post?
I removed the mod-only, but I can put it back and you can try again. It was all a ploy to get people to use my dead community!
I got an error message this time 💔
It was fun while it lasted.
On the PatSocs, please see my comment
Communities that would be merged and my proposal:
Shit Reactionaries Say (ex Shit Liberals Say)
- !shitliberalssay@lemmygrad.ml
- !shitfascistssay@lemmygrad.ml
- !shitmonarchistssay@lemmygrad.ml
- !shitlemmysays@lemmygrad.ml
- !shitpatsocssay@lemmygrad.ml
- !shithazsays@lemmygrad.ml
- !pcmbrainrot@lemmygrad.ml (Shit PCM Users Say)
- !shitmuskratsclaim@lemmygrad.ml
- !shitwhitepeoplesay@lemmygrad.ml
- !shitcentristsay@lemmygrad.ml
- !shitterfvomit@lemmygrad.ml
- !enoughvaushspam@lemmygrad.ml
- possibly !arethestraightsok@lemmygrad.ml
Shit Ultras Say
- !shitmlmssay@lemmygrad.ml
- !shitanarchistssay@lemmygrad.ml
- as well as further developments like trots, ultras, leftcoms, etc that don’t seem to exist yet.
This would make the new Shit Reactionaries Say community quite a catch-all however, and we could balance the teams by putting for example patsocs and the vaush community in the new shit ultras say community.
possibly !arethestraightsok@lemmygrad.ml
I feel it should not be merged, as it is a distinct queer community
Straight/cis people being weird transcends political alignment.
I’m placing arethestraightsok on hold for now, we can always merge it later. I see lots of upvotes but I wish people would comment so that we had a clear idea of how the community feels about all these plans!
I think a lot of our queer folk are on hiatus rn, but I think keeping queer content in its own space lets us keep better tabs on it so the straights don’t make it weird or try to gaslight us about it. It also gives a clear space for us to talk about our stuff on our terms.
yeah this one should stay separate.
I am pinging the mods of the various communities we would be merging for their last objections and approval. If you see this message in your inbox please check it out.
First of all, shitliberalssay mods @AgreeableLandscape@lemmygrad.ml, @Karlovious@lemmygrad.ml and @AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml : is it alright with you if we merge most of these Shit X Say community into your community? I’m thinking you might want to name more mods down the line too.
Secondly, I’m pinging the mods of the communities we would be deleting to be merged into one of the two above this comment.
@ComradeClucky@lemmygrad.ml, @tomaw@lemmygrad.ml @TheKanzler@lemmygrad.ml, @absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml, @leninenjoyer@lemmygrad.ml @JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml @B0rodin@lemmygrad.ml @Aru@lemmygrad.ml @itselectricboi@lemmygrad.ml
Do you agree with the merger plan outlined in the comment above?
Edit: we are planning deletion because people can still comment even when set to “mod-only”. They just can’t post. But if you really want to keep one of your community/ies we can work something out.
So if you still have the right links, you can still see the content, even after a community is deleted, correct?
If so, I’ve saved all the post links for Shit Lemmy.ml Says, and it can be safely deleted.
Yeah, but you need the direct link. You can’t search for it or open the community, you need the post URL.
Yes, I’ve saved all the links to the posts.
I agree with the merging of all my “Shit X Says” communities to the SRS community.
All aforementioned communitites will be notified abt this asap, all will be set to read only until archived.
Pinging @AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml on his Lemmy account, we need to know if we can merge communities into SLS and since you created it
Holy crap sorry for not replying! I’m on a Lemmy client that doesn’t show user mentions very well. Yes you can and I assume you already have, I have been following the discussion and I think it’s a good idea.
No worries, we’re moving forward with the merger and for now will ostensibly merge everything into SLS and the new SUS.
You might want to name more mods on SLS as well as clarifying which type of content is allowed in SLS. Additionally, make the community NSFW – some people in the original thread where the policy was requested noted that they didn’t necessarily want to see this type of content.
We might make a new Shit Reactionaries Say community to replace SLS, not sure yet.
Got it, thank you!
I have no objections if it means the community listing gets cleaned up; better to have a one stop shop than dozens of li’l pieces.
Can I make a rule you cant comment? I think some of the posts were informative, so i’d rather keep them up.
If the community is deleted the posts are still available as long as you have the direct link, they just can’t be searched or seen on the frontpage.
Alternatively you can also lock every single submission, which blocks all comments (but not votes iirc), but I’m worried if we let the communities up people might still try and make their own.
Oh okay, that’s fine then. My apologies comrade.
No problem comrade, is it fine then if we delete your SXS communities after the grace period?
sure, let me archive it first though
As mentioned before I am okay with it!
Edit: we are planning deletion because people can still comment even when set to “mod-only”. They just can’t post. But if you really want to keep one of your community/ies we can work something out.
A point worth noting is that deleting a community hides the posts, they are still accessible with the direct link or if the community is ever undeleted. Assuming you mean just the remove button. If you issue a backend command and actually delete from the database then obviously they’re permanently deleted.
Personally, I recommend just shelving the communities until Lemmy has a proper archive community option, that way the posts can be brought back as readonly later since a lot of good discussions went on in those threads that would be a shame to permanently lose.
Ultimately we are going to move everything to !shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml and !shitultrassay@lemmygrad.ml, and will want SLS to be turned mod-only… this is what most of the admin team wants and most users seem to lean this way too.
SLS Will not be deleted because there’s 1.5k posts, as for the other communities, most of them have very few posts (like just 3 or 5) so there wouldn’t be much loss. Most community owners have already backed up their URLs in the way you mentioned (just clicked the remove button), we actually went from like 12 communities to just 4 already haha.
I think we can’t delete communities from the backend because it could break federation.
Got it!
Glad you agreed so readily, I was of the opinion we could keep SLS but yeah, it would probably get confusing for new users to have the URL say SLS but the name say SRS
No worries. Just want this instance to run smoothly tbh
That’s a pretty good plan.
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I think deletion is fine. these are not especially high value posts in these communities. reactionaries will keep posting reaction, I guarantee it.
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I think it should be all merged into one, S Reactionaries Say
I don’t think patsocs are ultra-left like MLMs or trots. They are more like right-opportunists. Maybe we can merge them all into three communities, one for ultra-left, one for patsocs, and one for right-wingers.
They are reactionaries, and content pertaining to them should go in ShitLibsSay
Are patsocs a special group? Would screenshots of content written by patsocs, etc, not just fit into the liberal / reactionary
or ultrassubdepending on what they say?Edit: I’m persuaded by @Lemmy_Mouse@lemmygrad.ml and others.
I agree as per my comment
Agreed on all counts. Thank you for your constant work!
It all sounds well planned, kudos. 1 thing though, I propose moving patsocs from ultras to reactionaries. Fascism or nationalist capitalism that larps as communism (so back to the original description of fascism) isn’t too progressive to actually implement, it’s not idealist as all the other ultra ideologies are, it isn’t progressive enough maintaining bourgeois control of society, making them reactionary. They’re liberals in a revolutionary’s clothings. I do see Critical and Commissar’s comments but the post lists them as Ultras so just wanted to post this to inspire clarification.
I’ll be archiving all of my Shit X Say communities (including one that is inactive)
Has this happened already?
Is there a way to tag these and then limit their presence on the front page?
They’ll be deleted in a few days and everything will be merged into just two communities.
OK then, it seems everyone is happy with it
vote with the rapporteur
I fully support this.
Do you want me to delete shit pcm users say or just allow mods to post only?
We’ll probably delete it but you’ll have a grace period to back up the posts if you want to. I’ll also ping the mods of the deleted communities before doing it.
Honestly I don’t mind the deletion of the community (including the posts) right now
Well, if you want to delete your community already we’re not gonna stop you haha, it’s your choice
Also you could try contacting the creator of !shitliberalssay@lemmygrad.ml
