We must stop letting Russia define the terms of the Ukraine crisis | Slavoj Žižek
www.theguardian.com
A question like ‘Did US intelligence-sharing with Ukraine cross a line?’ forgets the fact that it was Russia that crossed the line – by invading Ukraine

Thanks Zizek

  • ZarathustrasApe420
    46·
    2 years ago

    Zizek is a fucking clown that gives real Marxists a bad name. I’m not convinced he isn’t a controlled opposition product created by some 3 letter agency.

    • KiG V2
      18·
      2 years ago

      I really loved him until I finished my radicalization and then i…didn’t

  • Mzuark
    30·
    2 years ago

    A question like ‘Did US intelligence-sharing with Ukraine cross a line?’ forgets the fact that it was Russia that crossed the line – by invading Ukraine

    We really don’t have a defense for the intelligence sharing, do we? We committed an act of war for a conflict we’re not involved in, but don’t talk about that. Keep talking about Russia.

  • ☭ 𝗚𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗘𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 ☭MA
    23·
    2 years ago

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    • Arsen6331 ☭
      8·
      2 years ago

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      • Arsen6331 ☭
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        2 years ago

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        • ☭ 𝗚𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗘𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 ☭MA
          3·
          2 years ago

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          • Arsen6331 ☭
            3·
            2 years ago

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    • Arsen6331 ☭
      21·
      2 years ago

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  • KiG V2
    19·
    2 years ago

    Goddammit Zizek… Thankfully the demand to register to read more stopped my brain from going full poison rage mode

  • lil_tank
    16·
    2 years ago

    Didn’t notice it was Zizek at first and started reading a bit thinking “wow this is the most explicitly right wing thing I’ve read in a while”

    The bit about European liberalism and how the labor movement is responsible for justifying colonisation isn’t even cringe at this point it’s just madness

  • Drstrange2love
    13·
    2 years ago

    What a American dog, the problem is that when this conflict lasts longer the worst will be the post-war period for Ukraine and the rest of Europe, which will suffer a gigantic increase in far-right terrorism and militias.

  • Idliketothinkimsmart
    11·
    2 years ago

    Oh my god, now I know why Vice was pumping this dude. He says close to nothing and just gets you spun up in sophistry.

    • ButtigiegMineralMap
      7·
      2 years ago

      I figured that out when he said Lenin wasn’t a Marxist. Wtf do you think he was then? I kinda like his voice and he’s interesting to listen to, but he’s so caught up in “modern philosophy” that he gets up his own ass and winds up sounding stupid. I think if he had someone there with him to sorta ground him in reality then he’d make more sense but he’s full to the brim with polemics and sophistry.

      • Idliketothinkimsmart
        3·
        2 years ago

        Wow, I never knew he said that. I couldn’t ever listen to him for more than 5 minutes.

        The Fed-Philosophy pipeline 🕵️

          • Idliketothinkimsmart
            6·
            2 years ago

            I…

            w…

            I could spend a whole 20 minutes just talking about how utterly nonsense all of this was. He denigrates Lenin because he didn’t have a “formula” of what the world would exactly look out as his theory played out. Surprisingly, this is a bit hard to do when the average person only lives for like 60 - 80 years and not centuries wtf??? The reason it’s called theory is because it’s…fuck nvm. This guy makes head hurty 🥴

  • lxvi
    11·
    2 years ago

    Americans don’t give a fuck about Ukraine. Nobody wants to go to war with Russia over Ukraine. This article talking about redefining terms and redrawing lines. This whole article is an art of what it critizes. The terms are that Americans don’t want to go to war with Russia. The red line is America antagonizing the Russians. Ukraine doesn’t even have to be mentioned. Americans don’t care. The majority opinion hasn’t moved from where it was a century ago; “let Europe go to War with Europe. They are European affairs”

    • CountryBreakfastOP
      1·
      2 years ago

      I kind of disagree that Americans dont want to go to war with Russia. Sure they dont “care” about Ukraine but Ukraine isnt really the issue and Americans dont care about any country anyway, and many just care about the integrity of their own exceptionalism and if that takes nuking east Europe and Asia then that is frankly on the table. The issue is Russia but Ukraine is, along with Trump, one of the many moral entanglements that US politicial discourse is capitalizing on. Russia is seen as the one sending us on a path towards a “just” war. When have Americans wasted a good casus belli? This idea that we just want European problems to stay in Europe has been so thoroughly underminded by the last 100 years of history that im surprised it still gets brought up.

      • lxvi
        1·
        2 years ago

        You’d have a point if Americans marched to the drums of the Capitol, but they don’t. There’s a reason the US doesn’t bring their wars to a vote. They aren’t popular.

        • CountryBreakfastOP
          2·
          2 years ago

          They are unpopular for intra-bourgeoisie reasons. Not out of anti-imperialist or decolonial aspirations.

          • lxvi
            1·
            2 years ago

            No doubt. I think Americans are far from class conscious. I think war is unpopular nevertheless. It’s easy to believe certain things because of how they’re portrayed by the media, but the media presents a completely false reality. Not only are they lying but the foundations on which those lies are built are also lies.

            • CountryBreakfastOP
              3·
              2 years ago

              Yeah I think its basically an entire cultural lense that grew from colonialism and imperialism and it interprets information in a way that reproduces itself. Its like a capitalist cosmology. From my experience, to break out of it I had to basically recognize and admit I was born of a nation that is a long festering, highly developed, disease of history and has completely wrecked the entire ecology of the planet. When I first was interested in class and Lenin I did not yet understand my own place in the class system but ML thinking as well as decolonial thinking has given me a chance to put it together more clearly.

              Not easy to admit the entire process that defines you has brought the apocalypse but if someone wont do that, then I doubt they can understand proletarian revolutionary class consciousness because the global class system doesn’t easily develop proletarian class consciousness in the US by design. Even with the present downturn and the major contradictions, working people in the US are better off than most of the rest of the world and this combined with colonial cosmology is what crystalizes the embourgiousiement of the US working class into a political weapon that is used to reproduce the global class system.

              Thank you for coming to my Tedx talk

              • lxvi
                2·
                2 years ago

                Haha great Ted Talk. I don’t have anything to add, but very well put.

  • kretenkobr2
    111·
    2 years ago

    If he actually believes this shit that he spews it is critical. I am under impression that he just spews this to stay on the media good side, but I might just be seeing what I want to see.