By most estimates it seems that more than 50,000 Ukrainian troops have died in this city alone over the past 8 months. One year ago in history on this date, Mariupol, the birthplace of Azov Nazism, was liberated as well. @shrike502@Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml it seems that Prigozhin’s random diatribes about “running out of ammo” turned out to be some wild psyop after all, I wonder what was happening
If the announcement of the partial mobilization was the end of the beginning, the liberation of Artemovsk might just be the beginning of the end. I guess that the fabled ukrainian offensive will come in the next days/weeks and a desperate attempt to recapture the city might take place.
The offensive has already started, they’ve taken a few fields some miles away from Bakhmut and are now being fiercely contested. Months-long buildup of the $200 Billion NATO Tacticool army and all they do is charge straight into artillery.
The offensive has already started
We don’t know that. There were attacks on the flanks of Bakhmut, but we don’t really know the scope and objective of these attacks. They could’ve been to create some space along the roads to enable the remaining garrison to pull out, but from what we know these were tactical in scope, not strategic - which an offensive is.
Maybe it really was all the gas that was left in the UAF, but with our armchair general information I feel like that’s not an assessment we can make with confidence.
but we don’t really know the scope and objective of these attacks.
As with all modern war, the scope is decided after the results are apparent
Ukraine needs a Tony Benn willing to give the US the finger and end the madness: https://youtu.be/HfXmpJRZPYI
he was good on iraq but didn’t give a shit about the UK occupation of northern ireland
It’s a serious flaw in many progressive politicians. They’ll argue against doing new bad things, but they kind of take it for granted that bad things that already happened have happened and there’s not much they can do about it.
Do you have any links about Benn on NI? Or is it more of a conspicuous silence?
I’m going to have to retract what I wrote. He was part of a labour cabinet that sent troops to NI. He later changed his mind on that. But he did want UN troops in NI instead.
Ah, that does fit what little I know about him a bit better.
Doesn’t change the overall truth for other ‘progressive’ politicians, so I sympathise with the expectation that they’re all the same.
it seems that Prigozhin’s random diatribes about “running out of ammo” turned out to be some wild psyop after all, I wonder what was happening
He was either just trying to up the price from Russian govt or was trying to fool the UA into sending more men into the grinder. if it’s the latter, all media and social media drank that straight from his lips and for moment he went from “orc warlord” up to even “reluctant authority” lol.
BTW, a list:
5/20/2019: Zelenskyy inaugurated
5/20/2022: Zelenskyy loses Mariupol
5/20/2023: Zelenskyy loses Artemovsk
5/20/2024: ?
5/20/2024: NATO loses Zelenskyy
Inshallah
“Zelenskyy loses head”?
Reddit is still in complete denial because the Ukrainian government refuses to accept the loss of Bakhmut. We’ll see how long it takes for Ukraine to accept defeat, and how much (probably a long time) it takes for Reddit to follow.
It will be denied until it’s no longer relevant, and when you bring it up in 3 months no one will remember the name or significance
Zelensky himself when asked this morning if Ukraine holds Bakhmut answered “I don’t think so”.
Not just in denial, the headline there is that Bakhmut is in semi-encirclement. Literally delusional
“Moscow will fall any moment now”
COMMON UKRONAZI L
This may be the first time a private military force won a historic battle
Edit: of course a modern one, without counting mercenaries of old times
Also excluding American proxy wars in the global south where the mercs just went around massacring civilians. Here, Wagner faced the $200 Billion NATO-trained tacticool army and fucking destroyed it
I was gonna say who founded Kiev 😂
Hopefully this war can end soon. So much unecessary bloodshed.
NAFO’s new marching orders are in: Bakhmut was never signifigant, the Russians wasted months and thousands of lives trying to take one (1) city. Please ignore how hard we were propagandizing a potential victory there some time ago.
Zelensky literally flew all the way to Washington DC to tell American congressmen that the Ukrainian victory in Bakhmut would be like the American victory in Saratoga.
where victory?
Can someone link a sample reddit thread. I want to read some of that yummy copium.
I’m sure it’s going to be bot central
I was about but the top link on r/worldnews is an article accusing Wagner group of r*pe and murder in Africa. Could be true of course, a CBS News article about Wagner group doing something inhumane topping that specific sub is interesting…
it seems that Prigozhin’s random diatribes about “running out of ammo” turned out to be some wild psyop after all, I wonder what was happening
Since the whole AI hype I’ve wondered if they ever use AI footage to spread fake news. Not saying it’s the case with this, nor do I want to permanently walk around with my tin foil hat, but it sure could be a possibility.
Anyway, the copium in the West is out in full force today.
Wonder if things will just freeze up now for the forseeable future. This was the one place that had some actual, regular developments and movement.
Think of it as a medieval army that loses a castle and now has to fight from barns and fields. Wagner + other RU forces will recuperate and deal with the current Ukrainian offensive, but after that we can probably expect RU advances towards Slavyansk and Kramatorsk at a relatively fast pace.
Think of it as a medieval army that loses a castle and now has to fight from barns and fields.
Sure, but that’s already the case in most parts along the frontline, doesn’t mean there’s any more movement there. Which makes sense, because that entire part of Ukraine is mined to hell.
Severodonetsk didn’t lead to a fast push to Bakhmut and Seversk either, that took months and Seversk still hasn’t been fully reached today. For a push to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk you also need to deal with Lyman and that whole northern front - which has seen heavy fighting, but no movement for months.
Fast pushes might happen, but I don’t think it’s a given considering how the past year has played out.
Fast pushes might happen
Not like blitzkrieg, but the Ukrainians will be hard-pressed to seriously hold any of these territories, unlike Bakhmut, where they stayed and bled for months.
I mean the next defence line, at least to me, looks just as formidable. Toretsk - Konstantinovka - Druzhkivka - Kramatorsk - Slavyansk with the settlements inbetween them seems like one interconnected urban fortress ring with each point as large as Bakhmut. Can’t imagine them giving up any of them easily when they’ve clung on to every little village as much as they can.
There will not be a battle like Bakhmut until either Zaporozhye or Kramatorsk/Slaviansk. Also noteworthy is that a moderate obstacle may be presented by Ukrainian forest belts in the region (especially near Ivanovske), which could be hard to clear. I never said that the “fast push” would last till Khmelnitsky, I was referring to the space between Artemovsk and Kramatorsk
it seems that Prigozhin’s random diatribes about “running out of ammo” turned out to be some wild psyop after all
Yeah, I still ain’t buying. It would mean AFU and their puppeteers in Washington rely on this kind of publicity for intel. Which, given what we know and can surmise about USian spy apparatus, just doesn’t seem likely.
I’m more willing to believe it is some type of intra-bourgeousie conflict, with a dash of hype. I’ve seen plenty of pro-SMO channels berate MoD after that notorious video. Plenty of civvies too. So if it was a test by Russian government how responsive people would be to this type of privatised militarism, it worked nicely.
I think Prigozhin might just be self-interested and is making himself into a “war hero” in the same act that Zelensky is performing. Using dead bodies of your own comrades to make a point felt pretty disrespectful to me, not something that Putin and his supporters would like. You’re in Russia right? How was that received by the parent and grandparent generations?
How was that received by the parent and grandparent generations
I’ve not spoken of that particular video with any of the older generations
Which, given what we know and can surmise about USian spy apparatus, just doesn’t seem likely.
Note this bit:
Pentagon apparently has far more information on Russian dispositions than on Ukrainians
This suggests pentagon is aware of Russian troops movement and strength - which I’d wager includes PMCs. SBU was apparently capable of finding some rando to try and blow up Zakhar Prilepin near Nizhny Novgorod (which is pretty far from the border). Capable of providing said rando with the explosives, too.
УРА!
Heroically evacuated after completing their mission
8 months? Wow
