• GamesJoblin
      432·
      4 years ago

      BTW Mussolini is the obvious/only choice, since Thatcher and her kin are much harder to overthrow (better camouflaged fascism) as history is showing repeatedly. Same if you were to pick between, say, Trump/Biden or Hitler - Hitler is obviously the better choice.

        • GamesJoblin
          1·
          4 years ago

          Yeah hard of course, still much easier and quicker than the US fascist regime that lasts practically for centuries.

        • VictimOfReligion
          26·
          4 years ago

          I think Goblin refers to Mussolini and Hitler being killed, but not Thatcher, being some sort of accelerationist…

          (but Franco and other fascist dictators simply reigned to their deathbed, without facing no real consequences, just like Thatcher).

          • Rafael_LuisiBanned
            7·
            4 years ago

            Well mussolini was voted off, by his own party lololol (with he founded btw) he them got killed by partisans 2 years later when he tried to sneak himself to Switzerland.

        • The_Internet_Lurker
          5·
          4 years ago

          That’s a very nice retreating truck convoy you got there… would be a shame if we found the Duce onboard…

          Based Dongo partisans… go listen to the song about this as well

      • hkto
        6·
        4 years ago

        See Gramsci: coercion vs persuasion. Mussolini vs Thatcher, in your terms.

  • KimJongGoku
    53·
    4 years ago

    Maybe they could just not have a second round and declare Juan Guaidó the permanent interim president

  • AverageUlyanovFan
    39·
    4 years ago

    Maybe few too many Macron voters have been captured in Mariupol

    Sorry for the bad joke

  • theVictimsOfMurdoch
    34·
    4 years ago

    Macron probably still wins in the end, the second round was designed to destroy any non-status-quo candidate and has been heralded as Pen’s doom. Honestly would put money on Macron’s victory.

    • roccopun
      16·
      4 years ago

      Didn’t that happen last time? Can’t quite remember the details.

      • Armand_Raynal@lemmy.ml
        13·
        4 years ago

        That’s how it happens basically every time le pen gets to the second turn, it’s like the 4th it happens … Now in the following weeks the media are going to remind people le pen is a fascist so they have no choice, they have been cornered into the neoshitlib.

        I don’t understand how they voted so much for macron. I don’t watch french media anymore but I guess the amount of propaganda must have been crazy … or it’s straight up falsified. Wouldn’t surprise me.

  • hanabatake@lemmy.ml
    29·
    4 years ago

    What does it mean for the world ? Nothing yet. The two candidates that were expected have the lead.

    What does it mean for France ? A lot.

    First, the traditional party got replaced. The socialist party is dead. The communist party is also dead. But what is new is the right-wing party “Les Républicains” is dying. The results of the election is an humiliation for them. Last time, they got 20% even if their candidate was totally corrupted !

    The campaigns get refunded when a candidate reach 5%. So, candidates that fail to make 5% when they thought they would are in big troubles. Pécresse has 5 Mio € in personal debt that the party cannot refund ! It is hard to know what will happen for them. But it look like the party will collapse. The ecologists hoped to replace the socialists but they failed. They also thought they would be above 5%, they were not. They have 2 Mio € in debt that they need to get refunded by a crowd-funding.

    The result of Jean-Luc Mélenchon is very good. It is 4% above the highest opinion polling. The “left” supporter in France expressed their will of a strong left party and NOT a liberal one. Maybe this time, they will succeed to create a big left party. Mélenchon is not a liberal neither is he a communist. Short term, the defeat of Mélenchon is bad news but the perspectives are good.

    The last good news is the failure of Zemmour. He may seem to be the same as Le Pen from the outside of the country, but he is really racists and do not care about democracy. Whereas, Marine Le Pen is just an other corrupted right-wing politician. She expelled a lot of racists, fascists and nazis from her party… So much in fact that Zemmour created his movement. She also told to the Minister of the Interior that he was islamophobic during a debate. She also is in favor of more democracy with the “citizens’ initiative referendum” for example. She sucks but at least she do not want to deport immigrants because of islamophobia.

    Bad news is the second turn sucks. Macron will likely get re-elected but this time it is not won before the second turn. People might change their minds. Macron got so many votes because the 60y.o+ voted massively for him. It is hard to know what will happen in 5 years.

    I feel that this entire post is against the rule “No being an electorialist or a lib”. Let me know if it is the case.

    • ChasingGlowiesOP
      4·
      4 years ago

      Thanks for the incredibly detailed response! Glad you risked breaking a rule but you’re not trying to promote any reactionary viewpoint, just laying out the facts so I don’t think you did.

    • Hammer + Sickle = ☭A
      251·
      4 years ago

      western media is fear-mongering that Le Pen is friends with Putin, but I don’t know if any of these claims are sourced, or just smearing. If it’s true, I still wouldn’t cheer for her, seeing as she’s an unabashed fascist, but a victory for her would still be a big blow to NATO’s resolve.

        • guojing@lemmy.ml
          11·
          4 years ago

          The most important task for Europeans right now is to break up the EU and NATO. Doesnt make any difference whether that is initiated by Le Pen or Melechon.

        • Beat_da_Rich
          8·
          4 years ago

          1 in 3 youth voted for Melanchon. The EU and NATO’s days are very much numbered.

          • hkto
            2·
            4 years ago

            (UK perspective)

            Two thirds of people under 50 voted for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn. The future is bright, bright red. Throughout Europe and beyond.

        • hkto
          2·
          4 years ago

          France has never had a communist revolution: the revolution of 1789 amounted to the bourgeoisie overthrowing the feudal order.

          Sorry to be a killjoy. There’s good reading to be had in this by Eric Hobsbawm if memory serves.

            • hkto
              2·
              4 years ago

              I’m not sure it counts. It was certainly a good case study for Marx, but fundamentallyiim going to say it doesn’t count because it only lasted for a month or two. Maybe that’s too arbitrary.

              • Catradora-Stalinism☭M
                1·
                4 years ago

                hmmm, I guess thats true. I think it was close enough to being a socialist state, if it wasn’t a factionalized mess.

  • ZhuGweilo
    274·
    4 years ago

    If Le Pen wins that would be the end of € since she focus on leaving the Eu. Put french interests first and most likely remove any illegal refugees.