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US 2016 elections be like.
BTW Mussolini is the obvious/only choice, since Thatcher and her kin are much harder to overthrow (better camouflaged fascism) as history is showing repeatedly. Same if you were to pick between, say, Trump/Biden or Hitler - Hitler is obviously the better choice.
Yeah Hitler was so easy to overthrow last time amirite? /s
Yeah hard of course, still much easier and quicker than the US fascist regime that lasts practically for centuries.
wat?
I think Goblin refers to Mussolini and Hitler being killed, but not Thatcher, being some sort of accelerationist…
(but Franco and other fascist dictators simply reigned to their deathbed, without facing no real consequences, just like Thatcher).
Well mussolini was voted off, by his own party lololol (with he founded btw) he them got killed by partisans 2 years later when he tried to sneak himself to Switzerland.
The only rightful supporter of Mussolini is a steel girder
That’s a very nice retreating truck convoy you got there… would be a shame if we found the Duce onboard…
Based Dongo partisans… go listen to the song about this as well
See Gramsci: coercion vs persuasion. Mussolini vs Thatcher, in your terms.
no
Maybe they could just not have a second round and declare Juan Guaidó the permanent interim president
They can’t do that, only the US State Department can do that.
Democracy is when the least disliked guy wins.
when under 50% job approval
Nothing good. Far right is at well above 50% if you count all their candidates. And yes, Macron is far right. A lot of his policies actually shocked Marine Le Pen over the past 5 years. That’s how far right this dude is.
fuck
Maybe few too many Macron voters have been captured in Mariupol
Sorry for the bad joke
They are not captured yet. Maybe they still had time to make their vote remotely lol.
France uses such harsh lighting for their mugshots.
Macron probably still wins in the end, the second round was designed to destroy any non-status-quo candidate and has been heralded as Pen’s doom. Honestly would put money on Macron’s victory.
Didn’t that happen last time? Can’t quite remember the details.
Me neither I’ll be honest, I try not to think about fr*nce
lmao
My day be all fine, then boom, i remember france exists, day ruined.
That’s how it happens basically every time le pen gets to the second turn, it’s like the 4th it happens … Now in the following weeks the media are going to remind people le pen is a fascist so they have no choice, they have been cornered into the neoshitlib.
I don’t understand how they voted so much for macron. I don’t watch french media anymore but I guess the amount of propaganda must have been crazy … or it’s straight up falsified. Wouldn’t surprise me.
Incredible that they would still vote Macron after the yellow vests.
Western “democracy”
Voting systems designed to keep out “extremists”.
Ho ho o
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I’ll be keeping an eye on the skies and a rifle in my hand for that occassion.
Where’s Jeb! when you need him?
ew a bush
Not that Bush. Jeb! Our favorite memeable winner of every election in the universe!
didn’t he want to kill baby hitler in that one meme? based meme jeb
Yep. That Jeb!
wtf I love jeb now
Jeb when he hears a Set**er call Bernie a leftist
Hoxha portrait? Based, so Jeb is not revisionist
wtf is that Bakunin ?
Absolute chad
What does it mean for the world ? Nothing yet. The two candidates that were expected have the lead.
What does it mean for France ? A lot.
First, the traditional party got replaced. The socialist party is dead. The communist party is also dead. But what is new is the right-wing party “Les Républicains” is dying. The results of the election is an humiliation for them. Last time, they got 20% even if their candidate was totally corrupted !
The campaigns get refunded when a candidate reach 5%. So, candidates that fail to make 5% when they thought they would are in big troubles. Pécresse has 5 Mio € in personal debt that the party cannot refund ! It is hard to know what will happen for them. But it look like the party will collapse. The ecologists hoped to replace the socialists but they failed. They also thought they would be above 5%, they were not. They have 2 Mio € in debt that they need to get refunded by a crowd-funding.
The result of Jean-Luc Mélenchon is very good. It is 4% above the highest opinion polling. The “left” supporter in France expressed their will of a strong left party and NOT a liberal one. Maybe this time, they will succeed to create a big left party. Mélenchon is not a liberal neither is he a communist. Short term, the defeat of Mélenchon is bad news but the perspectives are good.
The last good news is the failure of Zemmour. He may seem to be the same as Le Pen from the outside of the country, but he is really racists and do not care about democracy. Whereas, Marine Le Pen is just an other corrupted right-wing politician. She expelled a lot of racists, fascists and nazis from her party… So much in fact that Zemmour created his movement. She also told to the Minister of the Interior that he was islamophobic during a debate. She also is in favor of more democracy with the “citizens’ initiative referendum” for example. She sucks but at least she do not want to deport immigrants because of islamophobia.
Bad news is the second turn sucks. Macron will likely get re-elected but this time it is not won before the second turn. People might change their minds. Macron got so many votes because the 60y.o+ voted massively for him. It is hard to know what will happen in 5 years.
I feel that this entire post is against the rule “No being an electorialist or a lib”. Let me know if it is the case.
This type of input is really valuable imo
I think discussing elections and their ramifications, or even talking about candidates is fine, as long as you aren’t advocating for electoral liberal democracy as a genuine method for effecting socialist/revolutionary change. I may be wrong, but this comment is incredibly informative.
Thanks for the incredibly detailed response! Glad you risked breaking a rule but you’re not trying to promote any reactionary viewpoint, just laying out the facts so I don’t think you did.
Mélenchon got so close this year to the runoff. Damn
What kinda dude is he?
Better than the other two but by no means a savior
Better than the other two
Incredibly low bar
Its france, the bar is already setted veeeeeery low.
French, but a bit less french than the others.
Anti-NATO
Wants a 100% tax in all income over 360,000€
Anti-globilization
anti-imf
critical of EU and the UN
Supports the “créolisation” of France and the world bringing together people from all cultures and beliefs and languages and uniting them through cooperation and collaboration
Wants to create a 6th republic in France, basically rewriting the constitution to weed out neoliberalism and the reliance in financial companies
Called out Germany a lot for being a farce of a country
Loosly supported The Russian intervention in Syria and opposed Turkey and their involvement with the Kurds and Syrians
Considers himself an eco-socialist and relates a lot ot post-marxism philosophy, could imagine him being friends with Slavoj Zizek
Trash country gonna keep being trash
Not that up to date with Fr*nch politics - is Le Pen as Pro-Russian and critical of NATO as many right-wingers in Europe?
If so that’s a pretty big slap in the face of Anti-Russian warmongers in Europe. A combined 43% between Le Pen and Melechon, who is very critical of Nato and the EU, says a lot about the popularity of current neolib European politics.
Le Pen is pro-Russia only because that’s where her funding mostly comes from since her father has financially ruined the party and has made it “party non-grata” to a lot of French financial institutions. There isn’t much ideology in it, it’s an alliance of convenience.
western media is fear-mongering that Le Pen is friends with Putin, but I don’t know if any of these claims are sourced, or just smearing. If it’s true, I still wouldn’t cheer for her, seeing as she’s an unabashed fascist, but a victory for her would still be a big blow to NATO’s resolve.
I still wouldn’t cheer for her, seeing as she’s an unabashed fascist, but a victory for her would still be a big blow to NATO’s resolve.
Oh hell yeah, absolutely now way any comrade should cheer for her. Still a pretty big sign that current Nato and Eu policy are extremely unpopular with very large parts of the population, which is honestly staggering considering the enormous propaganda effort currently. All this fear and warmongering should realistically make Western leaders more popular, but we aren’t seeing that at all. That is a glimmer of hope, but ofc still wouldn’t make a president Le Pen desirable at all.
Edit: 23% Le Pen vs 20% Melechon. France coming that close to being based is both awesome and sad.
The most important task for Europeans right now is to break up the EU and NATO. Doesnt make any difference whether that is initiated by Le Pen or Melechon.
1 in 3 youth voted for Melanchon. The EU and NATO’s days are very much numbered.
(UK perspective)
Two thirds of people under 50 voted for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn. The future is bright, bright red. Throughout Europe and beyond.
France used to be the home of the communist revolution, now its a fucking shithole
France has never had a communist revolution: the revolution of 1789 amounted to the bourgeoisie overthrowing the feudal order.
Sorry to be a killjoy. There’s good reading to be had in this by Eric Hobsbawm if memory serves.
Look up Paris Commune of 1871
I’m not sure it counts. It was certainly a good case study for Marx, but fundamentallyiim going to say it doesn’t count because it only lasted for a month or two. Maybe that’s too arbitrary.
hmmm, I guess thats true. I think it was close enough to being a socialist state, if it wasn’t a factionalized mess.
If Le Pen wins that would be the end of € since she focus on leaving the Eu. Put french interests first and most likely remove any illegal refugees.
OP’s image showing 24-24-19 is not the actual result from yesterday; Macron ended up with a lead of 3.19% (larger than the 2.71% first-round lead he had in the first round in 2017). Also, Mélenchon reached 21.95%, higher than the 19.58% he got last time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_French_presidential_election#Results
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_French_presidential_election#Results
