sweet home alabama
In my country totally legal, even to marry them
same
incest is bad ok.
Wall.
Ok real talk, if two cousins genuinely liked each other how would you feel about this? (also can someone educate me like I’m a kindergartener about the ‘power dynamics’ shit people are talking about I’m not familiar about stuff like that.)
As family members and close friends? That’s completely fine.
As lovers? That’s disgusting. Also it’s not the power dynamics in this case, it’s the fact that as close relatives, their dna chromatids base pairs are extremely similar. This means that genetic illnesses, mental illnesses, physical disabilities, cancer, rouge mutations, still-birth, miscarriage, and so forth all go through the roof with each proceeding generation when incest is taking place.
Not to mention that it is so bad, that our brains are psychologically wired to prevent us from attempting incest, as there is a mental phenomenon called the The Westermarck Effect that prevents people from feeling sexual attraction to their close family members. This is similar to a phenomenon that prevents humans from attempting cannibalism. This is because incest and cannibalism wreck havoc on the human mind, lead to deadly illness and death, and devastate a population.
This means that genetic illnesses, mental illnesses, physical disabilities, cancer, rouge mutations, still-birth, miscarriage, and so forth all go through the roof with each proceeding generation when incest is taking place.
Not a supporter of incest, but where’s the line crossed really, would you consider not procreating with someone who has disabilities for the fear of them the same?
That is a very loaded question and dependent on a lot of factors. I cannot give an exact answer as there are to many possible scenarios. For example, would I wish to procreate with someone who is afflicted and has a family history of Huntingtons Disease, or Lou Gehrig’s Disease? Never in a million years, at that point in my opinion it is immoral to have children only to doom them to a very short and miserable life.
On the other hand, I would have no problem with a partner having a mild autism, depression, anxiety, six fingers or other genetic quirk.
Plus I do not really consider procreating with a person who has a disability to be in the same category as incest. As incest only increases the odds of everything going wrong by an extreme amount.
It’s so taboo where I’m from, I cannot imagine how that would arise unless two adult cousins met as adults and did not know they were related before falling for each other. It would be the same as siblings.
There can be love, but it’s platonic, nurturing, and cannot be sexual regardless of whether it is lawful. I’m not trying to lay down a general rule or be judgemental, here. I just cannot conceive of cousins seeing each other as possible love interests.
I imagine the power dynamics refers to the way that, say, an older cousin who has e.g. helped raise a younger cousin might abuse that trust. It seems like grooming to me. Younger cousins might look up to older cousins in the same way as do younger and older siblings. Abusing power dynamics is fucked up, anyway, whatever the genetic relation.
I don’t really see it as inherently immoral as long as you’re not having children (unless there are some power dynamics involved that complicate things, obviously)
EDIT: whooooooo, didn’t even notice that this was /r/teenagers, that’s a bit fishy
What? There’s nothing immoral about incest? Not at all? You can’t think of anything wrong with that? Really?
In a situation where the cousins are both adults (e.g. 30), they’re both fully consenting, there’s no power dynamics at play (e.g. if they never met as children), they’re not reproducing (very important), and they’re not hurting anybody else, no, I can’t think of anything inherently immoral about it. I’m not qualified to comment on whether it means that something’s wrong with their brains because I’m not a neuroscientist. Just because I can’t personally relate to wanting such a relationship doesn’t mean that I think it’s reasonable to force others to share my perspective, and the fact that there’s a psychological effect in most humans that would also cause them to find it repulsive doesn’t mean that there’s any morality attached to it. There are plenty of things I consider disgusting that I don’t think are inherently unethical.
there’s no power dynamics at play (e.g. if they never met as children)
Is it still ‘power dynamics’ if they met at the same age as children? I know cousin marriage exists but I don’t know anything about the power dynamics stuff, I’m really just curious.
Yes, there can be power dynamics because the situation could be influenced by outside forces such as older family members which could encourage or push for the behavior. In effect raising the child from the beginning to take the path of incest.
Well, maybe it would’ve been better to say that they never or very rarely met as children. If they grew up meeting each other frequently, there would certainly be a different dynamic, especially if one was older than the other. I’m talking about a theoretical situation, but in reality it would obviously require more nuance.
While on the surface that may appear to be true, it is worth noting that people who undergo or move past the mental boundary of attempting incest are to a marked degree much more likely to have comorbid mental illnesses or disorders. Along with that, undergoing incest has been shown to cause a marked shift in the psychic of an individual, much the same way the human mind “breaks” when forced to undertake cannibalism. This change is not healthy, and despite it not always being visible, this change carries effects very similar to severe PTSD, even in seemingly loving and consensual relationships.
Evolution is extremely adamant that incest does not occur. To the point of breaking people that attempt it.
To me it’s not a moral disgust argument, but much more along the lines of someone wanting to shot themselves in the foot with a rifle. Because while yes, there is nothing stopping them and they consensually want it, and they aren’t harming anyone else; it becomes a case of “Wait! Stop that person, they’re about to make a huge mistake that’ll severely negatively affect them”.
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I’ve always wondered if it was the taboo part that drives this thought or if some people just can’t control themselves.
Such thoughts are the prerogative of madmen and legislators
What’s the difference?
I did not expect incest to be such a touchy topic in this community. Huh, though again it is something that no one really thinks about every day.
Incest is bad, having experienced (unnecessary elaboration here) firsthand.
I just find arguments about genetics uncompelling. It’s an added risk factor, absolutely, but nowhere near what I consider the most dangerous aspect of incestuous relationships.
It is, however correct a line it may very well be, also borderlining on eugenics adjacent arguments I think. It is not necessarily a slippery slope or anything, but when discussions about who should be allowed to reproduce occur, it should be expected that people would get a little prickly I think, even if it’s a justified idea.
No wonder why AmeriKKKans are stupid
How do you know they’re nordic?
Finland and Norway are famous for it the most, especially Finland
So Finland and Norway are basically Europe’s Alabama?
Yes, wait, is it the same in Alabama?
Yes my friend, oh yes indeed. Parts of America which are rural and pre-dominantly white are very well known for a few things along side incest: Confederate flags, Speeding oversized pickup trucks blasting awful pop-country music over the street, Punisher Skull logos, Fanatical Christianity, Hatred for Antifa/Black Lives Matter, Beer, Chewing Tobacco.
The burger deep south is stereotyped for incest.
Oh
Idk, I’m not AmeriKKKan
