Which country in Europe do you guys think is most likely to go socialist?
The countries with a lot of workers tend to have socialists, there is a reason to why Lenin put so much faith on britain, germany and France. But US brainwashing is a thing, the EU countries are going to need to feel on their skins that the US does not care about then and would not rethink twice into sacrificing them for their own good. They need to see that the US is the biggest liar to have ever existed. The US is our biggest enemy since nazi germany, he needs to have his reputation destroyed in the face of everyone of Europe, he needs to be exposed as the filthy backstabber parasite he is.
The countries with a lot of workers tend to have socialists, there is a reason to why Lenin put so much faith on britain, germany and France.
Do those countries still have a lot of workers?
If when they where at their peak of emperialism they haved workers, then they will also have now. We can even say that now they have even more workers then before, they are just infected with the disease that is the Middle class mindset, they are pacified, they dont think they are being scamed and abused by the upper class, so they think there is no need for a revolution. Those people need an reality shock so they can awake from this liberal induced ilusion.
Fair
the day the US loses it all is the day we have a chance, and no one can stop the fall of the united states
Off the top of my head: France or Greece. They are the only countries in western europe I can think of with moderate to large socialist movements. Of course, as long as the US exists as a world power there will not be any socialism anywhere in europe.
Thankfully the US is in a spiralling decline, so hopefully we won’t have to wait too long.
All of them will be socialist one day. I predict Greece will be one of the first, if not the first.
I’d say fr*nce because they’re the only somewhat-kinda self-governed one. Germany is US-occupied and england is a joke. All the other ones would get Yugoslav’d if they even came close.
A strong worker’s movement in an ex-colonial country doesn’t matter while they are occupied, financially dependent, culturally dependent, and completely surrounded if they were to pull a 180° and actually become based.
But then again I don’t want fr*nce to “go socialist”, I want them to “go fuck itself”.
As a french I’ve got only one hope : Africa rising up and starving the nation of precious ressources. Remove coffee from french people and watch them cry. Make them go back to mining uranium and they’ll reconsider their whole worldview.
No better way to tell the institutions of France to go fuck 'emselves than to have the people take power!
Spain, Greece or Portugal. those are the only countries with somewhat strong communist parties
The only communist party in Spain with representation on the Congress (the PCE) are just your average revisionist western “leftists”. Spain has a very powerful anti-communist tradition, and I don’t think it’ll go away anytime soon. Also, we are seeing the rise of the ultra right-wing (neoliberal in economics, fascist in everything else) party, so the future ain’t looking great for communism. We’ll see how it goes…
just when I thought I could be proud of being part spanish
It’s okay comrade I’m a quarter Polish so…ya know…going from “oh I love my family’s bowls and plates!” to “I’m learning about geopolitics now, what’s Poland like?” to “oh…”
Portugal has a strong Communist Party, but I wouldn’t expect any significant advances towards socialism any time soon.
Firstly, there has been a substantial anti-communist campaign in the last years. The PCP (Portuguese Communist Party) has been demonized throughout all of the media, to the point where most of the population doesn’t even discuss the Ukrainian war but the PCP’s stance on it (most recent). Now, everyday workers are far more concerned about the increased cost of living, and we have been working by their side to raise further awareness. Furthermore, the PCP still has deep roots in all major unions, and strikes are common.
Secondly, even though the far-right got more popular, the major players are still social democratic parties (PSD and PS). PS stands for the Socialist Party, but they are very comfortable living in a Portugal with more far-right movements because that reinforces their “centre-left” position. They have 0 interest to push a socialist agenda and to be honest, they never had. I know this focused on bourgeois elections, but such is the nature of the Portuguese people. Political apathy has been the standard since the fascist dictatorship.
Absolutelly agree fellow PCP comrade, the recent events have created a huge hate group on the Party. Funny I haven’t seen that with the proletariats.
Russia.
Doubt it. Don’t forget - Russian capital holders grew up in the Soviet Union. They understand perfectly well what they stand to lose in case of socialism. They didn’t destroy the Union just to allow socialists back into power
Yeah, sure, but I mean, the Communist party there is the second largest political party, so in my opinion that’s a pretty good probability they will end up again in power in some way or another.
Yep, the communist movement in Russia is stronger than any other european country.
Other reasons would be: their close relationship with other BRI / BRICS countries, their exclusion from the spoils of western finance capital and semi-periphery status, antagonistic relationship with western europe / the US, massive popular support and nostalgia for the USSR.
EDIT: Read Shrike’s reply
Also, their growing relationship with China. Lots of cross pollination of policy and culture and politics.
Also, while the Soviet beaurocracy, for all its faults in ossification, while it has been largely stripped of its ideology in the surface it has remained calcified and as an obstruction to liberalizing forces. IIRC they still have several major industries that are nationalized that would be political suicide, both within the political class and with the Russian people, to privatize.
IIRC the largest communist party is and has been controlled opposition but there has been a strong undercurrent of genuine communists slowly growing over the last decade.
Problem is they have a growing Western-esque middle class hipster Synthetic Left too, we’ll see how that goes though. I have yet to see there be a country with a proper acknowledgement and clash between the synths and the communists, usually only one or the other exists, so it’d be a good conflict that could spread for example to the West where us Western communists could finally have a mainstream opportunity to differentiate ourselves from baby leftists in a positive way.
Lots of cross pollination of policy and culture and politics.
Admittedly I don’t live in the far East, where the contact with China actually happens, but I don’t see it here, west of Urals. Feel free to correct me.
but there has been a strong undercurrent of genuine communists slowly growing over the last decade.
And there has been a growing response to them from the government. AFAIK at least one communist organisation was forbidden from registration as a political party, because they honestly outlined their position in the program. The response was that since they are “openly calling for change of government” they fall under extremist definition. There’s a law, you see, makes calling for a government overthrow illegal. It’s been used to clamp down on fascists and some orgs that were probably pro-west liberals. But make no mistake - since socialism requires a revolution, this law will be used to clamp on communists too.
Well, I am an American, who are so famously good at knowing what they are talking about 😂😂😂 so I have to readily admit that I am merely going off of a different person’s allegedly living there’s perspective, it was a decent read but I don’t have any facts to really back my claims. You likely have much more information on this just being a resident so I’ll definitely take your word for it over my secondhand take; I have nothing to correct you with. And the second part too makes perfect sense.
Sorry if I’m speaking robotically I’m just really 🌲🌲🌲 while writing this, thank you for your response I would also like to hear more details from you as a resident if you would be down to share further takes on the matter, always down to learn from new sources
BLESS
No problem
I applaud your optimism. The picture looks rather differently from the inside.
I mean, maybe if you lived in a country where the most popular communist party is a trotskyist one and which still holds almost no power you would feel better, lol.
Where’s that?
Argentina. T_T
Ouch. Well the climate’s nice at least, yes?
I pray, I pray and I hope.
I wish Italy but i think Greece
Before the fall of USA and EU, maybeeee Russia.
Poland! /s
in our drugged out dreams
if you took enough bath salt maybe
I think if socialism comes back to Europe, it will come as a tide that sweeps over multiple countries at a time, as it did in Latin America. I suspect that countries are likelier to be included in such a tide the closer they are to Russia and China and the less they depend on the USA. As China’s soft power extends, communist parties will slowly gain support in Greece and the Balkans, then Portugal, and possibly Switzerland and Ireland. I also see a dark horse in Austria where the ML wing of the KPÖ is governing Graz.
Then, it would come to the economic heavyweights Italy, France, Germany, Spain, and the UK in that order, provided the current neoliberal governments continue to find themselves being pulled into the Ukraine machine, meaning they would fail to provide large parts of their populations with basic necessities such as food, gas, petrol, and clean hot water. A socialist victory in France and Germany combined would likely sway the Benelux states, and a socialist Germany and Austria would force a socialist Czech Republic and Slovakia by sheer economic dependence. The Northern powers Denmark, Sweden and Norway would be able to delay such a fate thanks to their low populations and their own resources.
The bastions holding out the longest against a socialist tide would be located in the East and Northeast, that is Finland, the Baltic states, Poland, Hungary, and what remains of Ukraine. Some people in high positions - or indeed behind the scenes - in these countries are beyond redemption, and they know that socialism would mean their deaths, which is why they currently do everything in their power to push their respective countries towards fascism.
Turn the Danube red!
Italy, Greece or even Portugal. And hopefully Spain too, but it’s unlikely to happen.
There’s Belarus 🇧🇾. and of course the people’s republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. In western Europe the situation is more complicated today, many nations are more likely to move to the extreme right (Fascism/Nazism) than to more progressive positions, and this is possibly accelerating with the current situation in Ukraine, which has taken the mask off many supposedly democratic regimes.
As a Belarusian, I wish we were anywhere near that level of based.
Donetsk and Lugansk also had a number of prominent pro-people/anti-oligarch leaders assassinated during the time the conflict there was entering the frozen status. And there’s also really a fishy story about how communist party of DPR was blocked from participating in elections to “people’s council”, and then the few members of communist party who joined the “Donetsk Republic” coalition to run for office as such got the boot for “loss of confidence” which amounted to them not always voting like the whole coalition. That’s of course is even without considering how “communist” they actually have been.
