Apt analogy, and the whole dynamic with Ukraine has a lot of parallels with Vietnam actually.

Right, like the elephant in the room is that the west lacks industrial capacity to produce weapons and ammunition at the rate they’re consumed. Dumping more money into this doesn’t solve that problem. Also, how is another 60b going to accomplish what hundreds of billions they pumped into Ukraine over the past two years couldn’t accomplish.

The tragedy is that he lived a comfortable life without ever being prosecuted for his crimes.

Completely agree, US is cannibalizing its most important geopolitical ally, and this is going to have a huge negative implication for US going forward.

europe’s probably gonna go full raging fash and sabotage itself even more

It’s really hard to tell what the thought process in US is. So far, what we can conclusively say is that everything they’ve done has eroded US position geopolitically. So,I hope they keep on doing whatever they’re doing there.

Agreed, that said- as a non-white (Asian) who was raised and lives in the west- these countries will find excuses to justify hatred and paranoia, or they’ll create them. It is as natural to western society, and one of the primary characteristics of it and their specific brands of imperialism and neo-imperialism. Post-Soviet and Slavic people could present themselves unilaterally as slaves, belly-up in submission, and “allow” all kinds of atrocities to happen to them without a word of resistance, and the west would still find some way to hate and fear them- to justify their behavior towards them, if nothing else. In other words- nothing of (actual) value was lost, because this was going to happen one way or another. Same with the Islamophobic vitriol, or anti-Asian hate and Sinophobia, and the list goes on- if there had been no resistance or reciprocity, it still would not matter- the west would find a way to demonize and dehumanize even the most incapable of retaliation, in order to offset their own subconscious guilt and justify their continued actions.

If you ask me, this may be “just as planned” (because western states and institutions all work towards these results) but I’m looking forward to the time ahead- if you were to ask me, already increasingly in sight- where western society is relegated to where it belongs, as these are the most racist, imperialist, (actually) barbaric societies in existence, responsible for the bulk of modern evil and that of the past half millennia. Where all those sensible in the west and with means start heading elsewhere and rejecting the demagoguery they were raised within- already if you ask me, this is increasingly becoming the case, as neoliberalism has begun inflicting upon these imperial cores, even just a small fraction of the evils it has always wrought elsewhere, and meanwhile the greater world at large is increasingly able to resist. It won’t matter quite as much as before how much the crackerverse can hate and fear post-Soviet peoples, if their societies increasingly are unattractive for those of post-Soviet descent, if their countries’ narratives of hatred are increasingly falling apart and their contradictions are beginning to tear their own societies apart, and if their own people are even increasingly going so far as to be the ones to emigrate to post-Soviet states, and increasingly looking up to post-Soviet (or better yet, Soviet) culture- or any culture- as better than their own (which it is- all cultures may have their path to travel, but I will argue that western European culture, and Anglo-Saxon culture in particular, with 500 years of racism, imperialism, genocide, and all evils known to humanity being celebrated and indoctrinated into each successive generation, is undeniably inferior and will remain so until it undergoes a thorough cultural revolution that would make those undergone in the Soviet Union or China blush- and that’s a hill I will absolutely die on).

Bandera is a national hero and a holiday. The commander of the UAF keeps making selfies with his picture and is the “Nordic runes enjoyer” himself. It’s hard to take a photo of any UAF soldier without swastikas or similar Nazi memorabilia. They literally have entire military formations openly devoted to Nazism.

Yes, every country has Nazis, but since WW2 no government ran that far and that open with it, not to mention intentionally arming and organizing them.

But I can’t honestly judge how true this narrative of “nazi” ideology is in Ukraine.

Hell, just look up all the pre-2022 articles on Ukraine’s Nazi problem in western MSM and you’ll have plenty of examples to go off of. If you want to dig further still, you can look up what Ukraine’s Nazis (now with state sanction as part of the military) have been doing to the country’s minorities, those living in the eastern parts of the country, etc. since 2014. Look up the various different Nazi units- even Wikipedia doesn’t bother to hide the continuity between various Nazi organizations and their units integrated into the Ukronazi army- look up Azov as the most famous one, or Right Sector’s “Ukranian Volunteer Corps,” or what was done with the remnants of Aidar battalion, Tornado police battalion, etc- these are just the ones that come to mind, it’s a never-ending list that even the west is not putting all that much effort in hiding.

This is a state which- as someone else noted- celebrates a literal Nazi (Bandera) and props up monuments and museums to him and other Nazi collaborators across the country. None of this is a secret.

lol being confidently wrong about everything is like the definition of liberalism