Edit 3: See new post (soon)
Edit 2: it seems the survey was locked, but maybe you can still take it. Just in case I got a screenshot of the results at 301 answers.
Edit: the survey will forcibly lock when it receives 300 responses 😱 (we’re at 287 right now)
Unfortunately, survey software is a cartel on the Internet and they have huge restrictions on free users. I was not aware that questionpro locked surveys beyond a certain point for free users, and we just received an email that they would lock our survey once it reaches that response rate. And of course the only solution is to buy their expensive plan ($1.2k a year).
300 is a very confident amount still, seeing that our monthly user rate is ~350. It just sucks for the people that will not be able to take the survey.
Next time I’m using Google Forms. Google sucks but at least they don’t cap you in the knees like this.
Or if anyone knows open source survey software we can use, that would be amazing 😀 (we also run surveys on ProleWiki sometimes)
You asked for it, now we’re doing it.
This survey will run for around a week, so please take it ASAP!
At the end of it we’ll analyse the results and will finally be able to answer the question that’s on everyone’s mind: is half of Lemmygrad trans?
Disclaimer: all questions are optional, meaning you can skip them if you don’t want to answer. The survey should take around 5 minutes to complete. It asks personal questions, but all answers are anonymous. We do get your country code when you submit your answers, so use a VPN BEFORE you open the survey (but don’t retake the test). Otherwise we really can’t identify you.
If we missed any question or anything is unclear, please post it ASAP so that we can fix it before too many people take the survey.
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Nice try, FBI, you’re getting nothing out of me!!!
all those options for ethnicity
and then it’s just “white”
Guess I’m officially a cracker now
Yeah wtf mods I’m actually half-aryan mediteranean Caucasian /s
You joke, but it’s an actual issue for me personally. My dad’s Jewish. My mum’s Russian (most likely). Sure I’m “white”.
Except I’m not considered as such. I look different from the vast majority of people in my daily life. I’ve always been made to feel like I don’t belong - even if people doing that usually mistook me for some other “white” ethnicity.
And don’t even get me started on the treatment of Jews in Europe and Russian Empire specifically.
Maybe the question should have been. “Are you pale and the Nazis wouldn’t have killed you, or are you pale and they would have killed you?
Let me tell you a story about Western idea of race (my first post on lemmy btw):
Me and a friend from Azerbaijan started our studies in Britain. The school asked us to fill a survey and one of the questions was our ethnicity. My friend is untypically Asian looking and dark skinned for Azerbaijan. But he went and picked “Caucasian” because, well he is literally Caucasian, he is from Caucasia. I on the other hand picked other white as a Turk.
Western ideas of “background”, race etc are not applicable to us.
Preach! We had an exchange student from Azerbaijan in my university group. The guy has blonde hair and blue eyes (and a German surname, which probably explains why). He grew up in Azerbaijan, spoke the language and everything. But you put us two side by side and ask a random passerby “which one is from Azerbaijan and which one’s local” - they’d point at me.
Anglo definitions don’t work for us, never have
Slavs are an extreme cog in the machine too. They are extremely diverse in everything from hair, to skin colour, to facial structure, and so on, and their adherence to “whiteness” is very tenuous. Which makes sense as Poles, and Russians were not considered white until very recently.
Even in my own family we have people ranging from “these people would never in a hundred years be listed as “white” to “German definition of peak aryan”.
Western whiteness labels don’t work.
As an operative for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, I cannot wait for the results!
Its never, “Country how are you doing? How are you feeling? How 'bout them [insert sportsball team]?” Its always, “Mr. Breakfast are you a white dude, or no?”
Edit: survey complete!
Are you white, Mr. Breakfast, or are you normal?
Not all of us crackers are beyond saving
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm lemmy go study game theory for 20 years and get back to you on this one.
Country how are you doing
Thanks for asking lol. Overall I’m doing pretty well and going places I never imagined. Id say its hard to complain, but actually all I know is criticism and I’m haunted by burnout. You know how it is.
If we asked if I’m white 100-150 years ago they would say no because of my degenerate, swarthy, Irish curse /s
The last two questions seem redundant. They just rehash things asked in previous questions. Also the race category “white” is a very American way of putting it. Europeans don’t tend to identify as “white” but as either generally European (perhaps adding Eastern, Western, Southern or Northern), or by specifying a particular nationality/ethnic group. In fact the whole race question seems honestly odd as a European, those categories are not typically used here, it’s more common to specify nationality and religion than “race”.
They actually serve a very important purpose as we can’t analyse the data as deep as we’d like (example: look at the subset that answered White, and see what they answered on the other questions). I don’t want to spoil the results yet to avoid priming other survey-takers, but it’s already given us an interesting insight!
Europeans don’t tend to identify as “white”
I assure you we have no problem identifying as white when required 😉 but I could see that this could be a difficult question to answer for Europeans who wouldn’t identify as white, as was historically the case in some regions.
Hey, just wanted to add yet another comment on the whole “ethnicity” thing. This seems to be taking a very US-ian perspective that would be worth noting. In my specific case, I’m a white man from Brazil. In my country, and most other American countries as well as other non-Anglo countries, I would be unambiguously considered white. However in the questionnaire I had to specifically choose one of either “Latino/Hispanic” which is simply an arbitrary and racist Anglo-American construct (How could I be Hispanic if I barely speak Spanish?), or white which I actually am considered in my country and any country I ever intend to be inside of. I understand that with any survey there are many issues, and the intention here is not to denounce but just to inform and share my perspective. Others have commented on the non-American perspective of this, so I thought it would be cool to add the perspective of some people who also get the short end of the stick on this race and ethnicity thing in the Americas.
It’s a delicate balance between offering too many choices and atomising the results (to the point that the data becomes meaningless), and not offering enough choices and alienating some users.
In your case, which choice would you have put in if it was available? Note that there is also an Other option where users can type their own answer.
Since the survey has received hundreds of answers so far it’s not possible to change the options for this one, but we’ll take all the feedback into account for next year if we run it again! This will also be noted when we present the results.
TL;DR: I’d separate race from ethnicity.
I completely understand that! I think the survey is overall pretty good, and just wanted to add some perspective for future surveys if this place ever gets very big and international. On how I would have structured it, I don’t have anything close to a perfect solution, but I’d probably separate the concepts of ethnicity and race into 2 distinct questions.
In the US-ian traditional view, ethnicity and race are heavily interlinked, but that is not the case in many non-“white” countries. In my admittedly very limited view, ethnicity is usually linked to a personal cultural identity, so I would personally have marked something like Latino (not Hispanic), Brazilian or if on a less international level, Nordestino. However race is (imo) usually defined by those at the top and varies widely per country, so in Brazil I’m white, but in the USA I’m latino, and depending on the time period I could have been categorized as “half-black” due to having black grandparents. While ethnicity is much easier to choose, race is actually very relative and subject to the racism of any particular culture. I personally marked white, as that is my current experience of race, but that is not at all my ethnicity and I do align way more with “Latinos” than with Anglo/European white people in culture and identification.
So, if I were to propose a minor change for a future one, I’d just allow for selecting multiple races at the same time, but making it so that you can always put some small explanation like (“white in Brazil”) without having to mark “Other”. But on a larger scale with more people answering, I’d make it two separate questions. One for broad ethnicity (say Mezoamerican, Sulamerican, Caribbean) which is already somewhat indirectly accounted for by the “Which continent are you from”, and changing the “country you’re from” for a more specific free-form ethnicity/nationality question. I understand that this last one could create a large overhead on processing all the badly formatted or rarer ethnicities, so take it with a grain of salt.
And then I’d add another for “race” for specifically how that person is racialized in their society, such as “Native American, Black, East Asian, White, Latino, etc”, being allowed to select multiple at once. This of course isn’t perfect, but I think is a good direction to reduce ambiguity of whether it is the person’s designated race in their own land or the one they’d be assigned in the USA/Europe lands.
Thanks for the reply too! And I’d love to help with anything else that I can in here if y’all need it! I have some programming and data science experience and am really hopeful for this forum.
P.S.: really minor and unnecessary point, but I also missed a “non-amorous” option in the relationship status which a very “me” thing and is not important at all, but since I’m here…
Thanks for the exhaustive reply, we’ll take all of this into account for the 2024 survey! I see that many people were confused on the wording of the question (also happened with the continents question). I know exactly what caused the problem; the questions evolved rapidly and when I’d added say some continents to pick from, I then realised they didn’t give much interesting data and added others. Then that changed the nature of the question, which I’d edit, and then you go through that process 3 or 4 more times until there’s a mismatch between the question and the choices.
A second opinion should have been provided on the survey unfortunately all the other admins are busy at this time and nobody gave me feedback on the survey, so I take full responsibility for the questions being confusing lol.
But it still gives interesting data, in fact there’s a very fun thing that came out of the results that I can’t wait to share… in a week, so that everyone has time to take the survey.
I made my account on lemmy on accident anyway, I’m an honorary grader
mods ban this reactionary faker
(/j)
mods
kill this man
Uno reverse card
He’s right I’m the real reactionary 😦
You discovered me 😭
the evil tankie secret police never fail to find enemies of
the statelemmygradJeg vidste at du var en italiensk spion
I’m a worker from a petty bourgeois family, so I put labour aristocracy. Not sure if that was correct 😅
It’s entirely subjective in this case as nobody knows your situation for you, it should be interpreted as which class you are or feel closest to currently.
I mean I come from a proletariat family, my grandfather was a partisan in ww2, my father worked in a factory his whole life. But I went to university, got my doctorate etc. I still consider myself to be a part of the proletariat. My class is still opressed by the elites. Even with my degree and job, I still don’t enable the bourgeoisie.
Those are interesting questions, I’m anxious to see the answers!
Done!
doesn’t seem like the questions are skippable
They are, you might need to click a few times though (I had the same problem)
I don’t see a skip button :|never mind I just press DownIt’s the next button below the question!
apparently I’m having a boomer momentwait, the Next button didn’t show up before I selected an answerYou’re right, on this display mode you’re apparently forced to pick an answer on some questions 😵💫 I changed the display, now you can just scroll past any question you don’t want to answer.
Why is North America specified as “Anglo”? I don’t think Mexico is part of Central America and we are certainly not anglos, so, no option for non anglo speaking north america? What about the caribean countries? Is Cuba not relatively north of the continent? What about Belize? Since it can be considered anglo but it is right next to Mexico.
When I spoke to the Consul from mexico they where emphatic that Mexico was North America and not Central
I added a North America (Non-Anglo), you might need to refresh the page to see the changes.
Yeah, Mexico and Cuba are considered in ‘North American’ Continent, I also like to consider everything under Texas as Central and South America since I want to separate the entire based continent form 2 Anglo settler outsiders.
yeah its weird, it should be divided in anglo-america and latin america with maybe also caribbean so its not confusing or just as Americas.
The continent choices are a bit odd in general, should have called them regions and it could then be even more specific
“Whiteness” is not a valid ethnic group because there is no such thing as “whiteness”. Being white is a simple label of acceptance into the larger in-group against minorities.
Are Jews, Slavs, Italians, Turks, Hispanics, and so on, white? Until very recently the answer would be no. Even if they were as pale as paper.
Yeah it’s not good. Especially that if you ask for example Poles “what colour you are”, overwhelming majority of serious answers would be “white” and rest something more detailed like “kinda pinkish” plus some jokes. People just don’t get that social construct.
