I’m not sure that there’s a big enough anti-EU movement at the moment, and where a small group springs up there are plenty of people willing to knock them on the head. Most people, at least where I’m at in the EU core, still think that the energy and inflation crises are Putin’s fault. Maybe our government isn’t doing the best, but they’ve been dealt a shitty hand and they’re doing their best. Even the member states which were previously closest to openly consider leaving (in my view Hungary and Poland) seem to be playing along with current EU policy. People who simply protest against rising energy costs and shortages are being treated by media as Russian agents and genocide deniers.

It’s true that the EU is anti-communist, neoliberal, and undemocratic by design. It must be dismantled just like any other reactionary institution. I just don’t see it happening all that quickly, but maybe this winter will set things in motion.

I paid 600 euros for light this 3month period and I paid a third before, if nothing happens shit will go wild and we are partially seeing this

One can only hope. The EU is a corporate organization and a critical strategic zone for US imperialism. It’s destruction will probably cause some countries to start gravitating towards Russia.

As someone who hopes to return to uni at some point, if the EU breaks up, scientific research particularly here in Germany is fucked big time, and when you look at the number of resigning heads of government all over Europe, this is a real possibility. There hardly remains any national infrastructure to fund, commission, and organise science; what is left mostly comes down to the DFG and the Max Planck society. Wherever you go on campus, you always see EU flags on research posters, on flagpoles, at events; rarely state flags, never the national flag. Perhaps old professors can still remember and fathom what science at German universities could look like in a national context, I and most people I know cannot. There could be a slim chance applied research can to an extent be continued in a similar manner through international corporate grants, pure research surely won’t. German, French, Italian, Spanish academia - pardon these figures of speech - would all descend into chaos and obscurity.

Instead of putting our research in the hands of a specialised worldwide institution independent of daily-political gusto, instead of at least delegating basic responsibilities away from a body as notoriously unstable and opaque as the EU onto literally any other level, our government chose to double down on the lunacy that scientists and doctors in one city should have to follow 26 election cycles to worry about whether they can get their lab equipment before their grant ends

The EU is a prison for the proletariat. The countries that suffer the most under EU-imposed austerity, catastrophic policies and Euro-related economic crises are also the most dependent on the EU. Meaning, the bourgeoise in those countries benefits massively from the EU.

Corporations and governments gain a lot of subsidies from schemes painted as promoting “investement”, “research” and “education”. The economies of those countries rely a lot on imports and tourism, which is boosted by the EU free travel and tarrif-free transport of goods. Free travel also increases the labour pool, which promotes low wages.

Just look at the Greek referendum to deny austerity measures. The majority of people voted against austerity. The government was voted in on exactly this platform. But threats from the EU and subsequent pressure from the Greek elites forced the government to go against the will of the people and plunge the country in poverty.

One problem that is rarely mentioned is that the liberal establishment have successfully built an image of EU criticism as a right-wing talking point. Basically the far-right populists took all the anti-EU space during the cursed decades where major “left” parties were actively promoting the EU (that was the rise of “social-liberalism”).

It’s so fucked up, the euro left abandoned the proletariat so hard that we now have a prominent nazbol-like movement that constantly pushes the idea that they are “the closest to the people” because they fed on the vacuum let by communist parties.

Disclaimer: This is mostly true for France idk too well about other countries but I know that AfD, the Italian right and the Tories push anti-EU rhetoric

I expect the IMF coming in soon.

I don’t know, but probably not. I could see Turkey potentially leaving NATO though.

This is pessimistic, but I think ww3 is still more likely. The energy crisis is already portrayed as an act of aggression by Russia, and it could easily be used as justification for war with the rising fascist movements in the west. The US is already trying to pick a fight with China, too. And Russia and China have declared themselves allies without limit(I don’t think I got the phrase right).

I don’t think they’ll leave the EU. I think at least one state could just collapse though.

No i don’t think it can happen. Not in the short term. There is just absolutely no impetus for it, all the elites are pro EU. Hungary may be the only exception but even there i highly doubt it because they just don’t have a choice really. They depend economically on the EU too much. But maybe an anti-EU movement will be created by this crisis and that could grow over the next few years. If it does happen it will be a long process, things will be bad for a long time.

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