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      He hates the western left, but is also a part of it (I mean, you can’t escape it living in a western country). Literally everyone on here would say they hate the western left…

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      I mean, I would argue he is. He’s obviously not perfect but he does a decent job at improving class conciousness in the west (mainly America)

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              Is Hasan bourgeois? I don’t think he owns his means of productions? Most of the money he earns goes to Twitch, he doesn’t run a shop or have an enterprise for brand deals, he employs the services of an editor for his YouTube vids, but I don’t think that makes him bourgeois. I think he is like labor ultra aristocracy.

              Plus he also allows free use of all his streaming, allowing others to make YouTube videos on his content and make money off it (idk what you’d call this theory wise lol)

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      He admitted to using a brothel, and he’s a shit-tier socdem who games all day and does no organizing. Basically a slightly less worse vaush.

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      He’s a social democrat who is anti imperialist (aka a democratic socialist) who is biased by his own upbringing (he worked at the young turks for his uncle) and material wealth (biggest twitch streamer) so he ends up making incorrect takes on many issues like China or Taiwan.

      Might be being pressured from the feds because he’s a big name on breadtube, but I also suspect he hasn’t read very much theory on China anyway.

      I’ll copy something I posted previously about him here since this is a good opportunity. EDIT here it is:

      Warning: long, brutal takedown of twitch streamers stance on Xinjiang. I hate breadtube stuff and never pay attention to it but this particular instance caught my eye so I decided to make a post about it.

      I was frustrated at HasanAbis takes on China and he sounds like he’s barely read anything about China. Basically equating China to the US therefore everyone bad. Very convenient position to take as a democratic socialist. He was ranting about the state of surveillance and how they have lost their culture.

      If you are really a socialist, isn’t raising the material conditions of everyone the most important thing? Because that’s what China does. I have a soft spot for groups of people who do not have self determination (as a Pacific islander myself), but really what is the alternative to Chinese control of Xinjiang? It’s American control/influence and the unspeakable horrors that come with that like what happened to every other Middle Eastern nation.

      So you bring the people into the fold in your country (China) by raising the material conditions of those people. Nothing’s going to be perfect, and IT TAKES TIME but you can’t leave them out to die - socialism can only succeed by increasing people’s quality of life. How do you weigh better living conditions for everybody against increased security/surveillance? You don’t! Food and housing, education and employment are more important! And remember, raising the material conditions of a minority does count as progress towards positive treatment of a minority! In fact it is one of the most important things!

      To be so overly concerned with surveillance is to apply western thought where surveillance is used to oppress minorities AS THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOTHING TO IMPROVE THEIR LIVES. In this view, you’d be claiming that a government was somehow oppressing a minority AND actively improving their material conditions at the same time! Completely stupid. Not only that, even if it was true that they were being oppressed culturally to the same degree Native Americans were in the US, then Chinas treatment of minorities is still superior BECAUSE their living standards are improving!

      Here in the west as a twitch streamer your food and housing is taken care of, while you have no idea of the poverty that existed in that region. That is the only way you could ever make that take - to ignore the historical materialist situation of that region of the world. Nobody is saying the situation is a perfect place, that there are no conflicts/violence/tensions between China, Han Chinese, and Uyghurs. There are plenty. But you are affording your own country America the chance to improve its people’s lives a timespan of election years whilst when you look at China you snap to pass judgment instantly within the present. Why can’t China improve when it has done so consistently, almost like clockwork, at basically every facet of its society? To suggest it can’t ignores history and applies your own experience (and the ignorances that come with it) to a country with its own special conditions and history.

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    Impressive, thank you for being ‘‘so brave’’ and sharing such a ‘‘controversial opinion’’ Now may you turn your face against the wall:

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    Edit: this is a doctored tweet I think?

    Marxists should use all tools in the tool belt. For me at least he sheer amount of people HasanAbi has helped deradicalized from the right wing internet pipeline gives him a pass for most stupid shite he does in my book. Plus this post is like when your a teen and you say “I hate my parents”, sometimes the left really fucking sucks, we in fight and squander opportunities constantly all over the world because ego and purity politics. Also, the man is dumb, but he is an anticapitalist and a socialist, not a socdem.

    Also, can we get over the: “Things on the internet aren’t real and don’t matter” mentality. Please. The internet is the public forum in the modern age and is where 70-80% of the world learns and socializes at least semi-regularly. Hence why China is doing a big push for a strong and civilised internet space in China.

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      He admitted and defends going to brothels, he’s a sex-pest. You can’t be a communist and pay to rape women.

      And he’s also a breadtube socdem who just games / streams all day long, and does no organizing. Yet another worthless youtuber.

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    I watched him for quite a while, as I became more and more principled I took issue with more of his takes. He’s also kinda opportunistic/self-centered. When AOC went to MET gala(🤮) someone had said “Bernie wouldn’t be caught dead there” and he replied “dude who wouldn’t wanna be there, if I was invited I’d definitely go”. Idk I liked watching Hasan but he used to always stop promptly at DemSoc while appropriating a lot of Left Aesthetic (Raising a Red Flag, Soviet-esque designs, Russian Ushanka). I think he did one video about Marxian Economics and Theories of Labor Extraction that bored everyone in the chat and I think they never visited it again(but I do recall him at least mentioning that this type of proof of exploitation is important, and it is) overall he’s far from the worst political YT has to offer, not even the worst that the US Left has to offer, but he’s unwatchable now(which is unfortunate bc I used to show my friends his vids and they took to him and never evolved past Hasan’s positions)

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    Alright I’m an occasional viewer of his YT vids . Y’all are wildly misrepresting this guy. I’m not going to sit here and pretend he’s some principled ML - he’s not, but he’s certainly not a sexpest socdem either. I agree his takes on China are fairly uneducated and poor, but literally everything else that’s been said in these comments (and the op) is also fairly uneducated and poor. Maybe as Marxists we should do some investigating and try to understand someone before going buck wild on the timeline.

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      Yugopnik said he liked Hasan, so I took that to heart and gave Hasan a chance, the guy is a shit lord irony king who absolutely pushes people to the left and challenges popular liberal and reactionary messaging. I now appreciate him for what he does, tho far from perfect, he is absolutely an asset to the left. Plus, the Libs hate him.

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    A fan account made a Twitter circle with only him in it and then wrote a poll “Do you support the LGBT+ movement” and he answered no lmao

    I can’t find the pic anymore I had it yesterday.

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      Please understand, this was both not real (a doctored tweet) and also a joke.

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