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In my local Natural History Museum they have a tiny miniature of the Platybelodon and it’s so stinking cute,I am this ’ ’ close to heisting it.


Alrighty then, I agree it wouldn’t be for us to decide. But we can at least discuss. But why would there be much eviction? There’s a multitude of houses for everyone and most of the land is owned by Big Corporations like Black rock.

I never thought Indigenous people would be going around taking blood tests, that would be insane, you said that. I would like to read into it, thanks for the authors.


“And we thought that there would super hot Spaniards, that we could fuuuuuuuuck”



I would like to start off by thanking you for providing clips, I will respond to them when I can.

Muad, I admit that saying you hate poor people is exaggeration but you do discredit them to an extreme. I mainly wanna focus on your of definition of settling. You say, and rightfully so, that right now settlers are still settling, and the now is time I am referring to, sorry should have specified. So I ask you, where is this cheap land? I see no home ownership but of the bourgeoisie, and the dwindling middle class. But you claim all settlers are the labour aristocracy/petty bourgeois which is contrary to now! Not everyone got your cush life of the suburbs.

But let’s go back to the era of active settling you say “Absolutely false,folk tlers aren’t kidnapped to colonize lands, they do so because of the promise of cheap or “free” land, and its in their material interests to do so.”

That last part, sorta contradicts the first doesn’t it? The majority of settlers were from the lowest rungs of Britain’s social ladder, sure they weren’t “kidnapped” but they were forced between starving and poverty wages or getting land at the expense and bloodshed of the indigenous, they weren’t really in a position to make a choice. Not to mention the actual indentured servants. To ignore this class reasoning is to ignore all of history. Now when they actually started reproducing and getting accustomed to the privilege with land and genocide of the Indigenous peoples, the majority of settlers becomes of a petty bourgeois class, but still a minor proletariat. In the present day, the US settler state has grown so imperial that it has chewed away at the super wages keeping the workers in this labour aristocracy. In the beginning Britain’s proletariat where pushed to Indigenois lands, their numbers dwindled, but now the proletariat has emerged with class interests aligned with the Indigenous population, the overthrow the bourgeoisie!

Now you may be quick to say that settler and Indigenous interests are immediately clashing, but is it not similar to Western allies and the Soviet Union against Nazi Germany at worst, or the core proletariat and periphery proletariat at best?

Now when I say you hate poor people, it is due to you negating the pain and exploitation they face by ignoring their class as labours!

Now I have not seen your list of ML works could you please provide, I would be happy to look at them.

But Muad, the fact you know I was talking about “Settlers” shows just how much the book has been critiqued. Im not saying the book isn’t helpful, it is incredibly helpful and I will go so far that it is nessecary for those in the US settler state to read, but there’s lots of dogmatism following the book due to it being the most influential about the Settler state, and that dogmatism follows with the notion all settlers are petty bourgeois and benefit so much that they have no revolutionary potential. Imagine if we were all orthodox Marxists and believed there would be a synchronized over throw of the bourgeoisie!

Muad, I don’t really wanna play this game, I really don’t, it’s dehumanizing. In my life, in my town, we have a large population of Indigenous folk due to it hosting the largest Indigenous College in the state. In my experience, with these human beings who have to live through their own genocide, are deeply offended by the term Indian. Maybe the majority prefer it, sure, and if so I apologize for being nit picky. It is not for us to decide, but the ones around me treat it as a slur so I am cautioned by it, sorry for jumping the gun.

Muad my question about socialism bringing sovereignty, is one I am try to wrap my head under. If it doesn’t, are places like Kaliningrad and Tibet colonies? The book I was recommended and am reading “Decolonization is not a metaphor” states China as a communist empire? This is geniune, Muad, there seems to be some hole here that you may be able to point out, can you help please?

I am coming out to say, Muad I have no beef with you, I am just learning about movements like Land Back. And I’ll state it that everyone here wants sovereignty to the Indigenous, it’s just that this air of dogmatism is getting nowhere and the threatening purge of unlisted names will not aid in any attempted understanding and especially isn’t helping the Indigenous people. This isn’t an actual communist party it is a ML forum site, if we really wanna help the Indigenous and/or the Working Class this is not the way to do it.

Goodnight Muad, sorry things got heated I don’t want this to turn out like reddit.


This is the best summary of Maupin’s political stance and faults summed up, and on top of that doesn’t paint him as a rabid Nazi wishing for the destruction of all minorities. You could use this comment as a blog post even. Wish I could favorite twice. You basically said all of what I conveyed.


Muad, I am confused

Do you want settlers to join indigenous nations? You don’t want anything with settlers to remain, so what do you want to do with them? Do you want them dead? I have not seen you state any if your ideas for this.

Also why do you hate poor people for just existing?

They are at the mercy of the bourgeoisie forced to settle against their wills, that can’t be refuted. They get little in return and naturally would want to revolt. But you say they CANT and thus are inheritant allies to the bourgeoisie no matter what. This doesn’t make sense could you explain? But you say even sovereignty in socialism wouldn’t be enough if the settlers and Indigenous peoples coexisted. Why? Isn’t stopping the Imperialist, stopping the genocide? Now if you are so set on that socialism can’t bring soveirgnty what do you think if Kaliningrad or Tibet? This seems to have escaped the ideas of Marx, at least your proposal of the settler state. Marx was alive when when the US was still grabbing land, you don’t think he would of thought to point out the settling? Or Lenin during the Spanish American war?

Why do you live so heavily on one book that proclaims anything against it settler apologia? We know barely anything about the author, why the dogmatic view?

Muad, you say Maupin is fascist but you haven’t put any clips of him announcing fascistic remarks, and if this is true I would really like to see for my own eyes. That’s a huge claim to make with little evidence and we can’t just say that about anyone, especially MLs, otherwise it’s like you are making a boogie man.

Also nice use of “the indians”


Well Muad, what happens to the settlers when it is under Indigenous control? I have been told that “any means necessary” and the expense of the settlers but no one elaborates further.

Also what happens if a settler has a child with a Indigenous person?





Okay cause I was gonna say there’s tons of settlers who want Indigenous sovereignty, so I never understood why people say they can’t be radical or revolutionary, maybe it’s just a disembodied generalization.

Yeah because PatSocs at worst are upholding fascist notions and colonization, and at best redundant.


That sounds like a nightmare, what’s their take I wanna know.


Well it’s a mixed bag of the US being THE imperialist power, and it being a settler state existing only for about two and a half centuries.

Greece is semi periphery and has existed since ancient times.

To be patriotic for the US is to support the continuous murder of the indigenous peoples by permitting its existence, even without all the baggage of patriotism for an imperial state.

Edit: Let me clarify that the amount of time doesn’t excuse a settler state I was saying even if you refuse to believe it’s a settled state it still has very little cultural history


Marx’s hair style can be summed by

“when you’re balding so you have to overcompensate”


Can you state who you have in mind to purge?

Is it people who state they are pro PatSocs, or those who are pro Land Back and Pro decolonizing but who disagree with the notion that settlers can never be radical?


What happened with Australia?


A group of Anarchists are walking past a conference hall when something catches their ears.

They rush inside only to find themselves, surrounded by NATO flags crossed out and a group of people chanting ‘International Socialists’

The lead anarchist gets flustered and screams:

“International Socialists?! We thought you were chanting ‘Enter, National Socialists!’”


Okay denies the r slur and sides with Orwell, I’m gonna walk away slowly now.

Edit: Notice how you called me putting a “straw man” out, even though thats exactly your line of thinking?

My perception is that the hypothesis has not been rebuffed, huh ho. (See I can also talk like a snotty “intellectual”)


I don’t want people banned, with a few exceptions being the line of trolls and outright bigots.

The mods, arent always so patient and I can’t control them


Cool book I got "the Railway Journey: The Industrialization of Time and Space in the 19th century"
My mom bought this random from a sale at the library for a buck. As it turns out, it's a Marxist work, at least it seems like it. Started off in the Foreword quoting Marx, and talks of the bourgeoisie pushing for railway due to the Corn Tax and efficiency. And now there's a Railroad community. all in like 3 days what's the odds? Just wanted to share, the book's pretty good so far.

I believe there needs to be multiple "debates" on PatSocs
cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/297928 > As you have all noticed, this seems to be a point of contention here. This is a good thing, since it means someone will learn something. > > Now we seem to be all over the place, with this general area of thought, provoking many questions. Whether or not PatSocs are socially conservative, what is position on social conservatism? Many of us are very young, both in age and ML experience, so an online discussion would be a great learning tool. > > 1. Are socially conservative individuals allowed to be apart of the leftist movement? > - A. Are socially conservative individuals victims of bourgeois propaganda? > -B. If socially conservative people are turned away by the left, where do they go? > -C. How high of a position would a social conservative be allowed in a ML party? > -D. How has or will MLs educate socially conservative folk? > -E. &tc, &tc. > > 2. What exactly is Patriotism? > -A. Does patriotism depend on culture? > -B Is possible for a distinction between patriotism for a country and wanting to abolish the state? > -C. Is patriotism corrupted in the Core? > -D How have post imperialist countries with Communist experiments built patriotism? > -E. &Tc &TC > > 3. Who even are the PatSocs? > -A. If the label is too convuluted, should we make a distinction between Maupin and American exceptionalists? > -B. Who of the leaders do we consider MLs? > -C. Should patriotic socialist be distinct from socialism or is inherent in socialism? > -D. How much do WE even know if PatSocs? > -E. &Tc, &tc > > We can look at the USSR and GDR for these questions. Remember the Hammer and Sickel came from somewhere. > > Things to look out for about the US: > -It is the imperialist power, AND a settler state. > -Low levels of cultural development > -The culture that is there is taken from marginalized groups. > -Americas are the most propagandized people in the World. > -It is huge and incredibly diverse > > More questions about the US could follow: > -Should the US be balkanized? If so how does patriotism be built in balkanized regions? > -How does land back go about? Will indigenous countries emerge, and if so should we reconsider American MLs as different MLs for the Regions in North America. > -If see different nations and regions in North America how does that affect culture? Is the question of how we view the land a prerequisite to discussing patriotism, is it contradictory to call yourself an American Patriot if you decide to divide up the land until regions? > > There is so much potential for deep political for North American based Comrades, this is a rabbit hole I do want to delve into. I'll cross post this to GZD but I want it mainly on Leftist Infighting.

I believe there needs to be multiple "debates" on PatSocs
As you have all noticed, this seems to be a point of contention here. This is a good thing, since it means someone will learn something. Now we seem to be all over the place, with this general area of thought, provoking many questions. Whether or not PatSocs are socially conservative, what is position on social conservatism? Many of us are very young, both in age and ML experience, so an online discussion would be a great learning tool. 1. Are socially conservative individuals allowed to be apart of the leftist movement? - A. Are socially conservative individuals victims of bourgeois propaganda? -B. If socially conservative people are turned away by the left, where do they go? -C. How high of a position would a social conservative be allowed in a ML party? -D. How has or will MLs educate socially conservative folk? -E. &tc, &tc. 2. What exactly is Patriotism? -A. Does patriotism depend on culture? -B Is possible for a distinction between patriotism for a country and wanting to abolish the state? -C. Is patriotism corrupted in the Core? -D How have post imperialist countries with Communist experiments built patriotism? -E. &Tc &TC 3. Who even are the PatSocs? -A. If the label is too convuluted, should we make a distinction between Maupin and American exceptionalists? -B. Who of the leaders do we consider MLs? -C. Should patriotic socialist be distinct from socialism or is inherent in socialism? -D. How much do WE even know if PatSocs? -E. &Tc, &tc We can look at the USSR and GDR for these questions. Remember the Hammer and Sickel came from somewhere. Things to look out for about the US: -It is the imperialist power, AND a settler state. -Low levels of cultural development -The culture that is there is taken from marginalized groups. -Americas are the most propagandized people in the World. -It is huge and incredibly diverse More questions about the US could follow: -Should the US be balkanized? If so how does patriotism be built in balkanized regions? -How does land back go about? Will indigenous countries emerge, and if so should we reconsider American MLs as different MLs for the Regions in North America. -If we see different nations and regions in North America how does that affect culture? Is the question of how we view the land a prerequisite to discussing patriotism, is it contradictory to call yourself an American Patriot if you decide to divide up the land until regions? There is so much potential for deep political for North American based Comrades, this is a rabbit hole I do want to delve into. I'll cross post this to GZD but I want it mainly on Leftist Infighting. Edit: spacing issues



Can someone give a run up of how Greece has been doing, and what's up with the KKE.
Sorry Im a little baby ML from the US, who has a LOT of geopolitics to catch up on. EDIT: The reason I'm asking this is because, at least what I am getting is, that the general consensus is Greece will most likely go socialist next, but also that KKE has some issues.

A Newsletter
I believe for my own sanity and worth while that I'll restrict myself to occasional Club Hub posts. I really have not had a break in a while, but I still do believe there to be an importance of this Community. I will probably do a Newsletter sort of thing that will consolidate my thoughts about communities. Have a good one!

Why is Belarus just so quirky and different?
Can you comrades explain why Belarus is not like the other Post-Soviet States?

Potato Buckets!
I have been really into the aspect of growing potatoes in buckets for multiple reasons: For one it seems cheap enough; Secondly the nature of being able to have buckets as a mobilized garden could be great in so many areas. Don’t have the time or energy to cultivate your soil? Bucket. Live in the city surrounded by pavement? Bucket. Are you a renter who can’t grow plants or you don’t even know if you can live there next month, so investing in gardening would be pointless? Bucket. Ever accidentally killed a prominent figure, so you spend your life on the run, moving from country to country never knowing the simple life you once lived but still want to follow your childhood dream of gardening? Bucket. It seems to be that for one pound of potatoes, you’ll get 7 lbs back. It being a root plant, watch its moisture. Cut a chived(?) potato in half and put charcoal on the wound so it doesn’t rot. What’s y’alls take on this.

Pumping TRG
I was supposed to get the ball rolling yesterday for this to happen today but my life just took a slam to the face, so from comrade to comrade understand me here. From today to tomorrow, I would like to see what each of us making a post on TRG would do for its content flow, for the next week or so. It has been stagnant for the past week so I'm hoping if we can get it leaking out just a little bit, consistently, that it would help. Oh yeah, here's the[link](https://lemmygrad.ml/c/eco_socialism)
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A Rethinking of Club Hub's Strategy
I am realizing the marketing for Club Hub itself won't bring the traction, it's both redundant and unsuccessful. It is unsuccessful since people will get annoyed by the constant bombardment of begging to join, as I have so experienced (whoops). It is redundant because it has enough "monthly viewers" that it should pop up on local view when we post on here. On that last note what we really need to do is to get people who wanna make a community, like for example the based Poland-ball to make that announcement directly as a post on ClubHub. I think I will make a new thread each week for suggestions, to feed the a l g o r i t h i m.

What is the difference between Electoralism and a Political Party in Power?
I reframed the question, was using the wrong term, oops

Hey, go check out the new How Its Made community!
I'm so happy somebody read my mind about making a [community for analyzing production](https://lemmygrad.ml/c/production), it's good to see all of us comrades on the same page of bettering Lemmy!


This Week's Communities to Promote:
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Yes I did just copy and paste the answers: -theory discussion -study groups -community about nature/birding, -one about learning Russian. -Gardening: The Revolutionary Garden -Tea community -Irish community -Beer Brewing -A community for sharing material (memes videos posters ideas whatever) for radicalizing libs: -Programming -Based Polandball. -Math, science, philosophy

What is the best things for American MLs to do?
I know we could educate our local community and all, but isn't there more? Could we consolidate our MLs into one place?

Why is Stalin the most demonized?
Okay so I was wondering why Stalin got the most flack of the Cold War propaganda, at least in my experience growing up in the U.S., He's the only Soviet Leader we were "taught" about. Sorry if this is dumb.

Hey Kid...
Got any communities you'd like to see? Oh, you do? Then join [Club Hub](https://lemmygrad.ml/c/club_hub)

A trial run of the Rallying Brigade, and The Revolutionary Garden
Okay, I am planning on maybe next Sunday we could try out the "brigade" of TRG. Why TRG to test my plan for brigading? Well for starters, wanting a garden club is what got me on this path but also it happens to have the right amount of activity and inactivity to see how much this "brigade" will help, and a garden club seemed to garner the most traction from the first post. I almost forgot, I probably wont do much for club hub tomorrow since my internet access is limited and everything is closed for Easter. Farewell and Oh Comrade, My Comrades

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