The cost of everything related to guns is becoming increasingly prohibitive, with for example a single small box of ammunition costing up to a whole weeks worth of groceries. Along with that, all places to learn/practice skills are infested and crawling with these same types of right-wing delusional terrorists. I also don’t know if I’d trust myself to own a weapon such as a gun due to my mental health, despite how much I might like to own one.
Sadly, I feel that if worst comes to worst, I would never want to make myself or anyone else suffer, and I’d prefer to go quickly and painlessly. Which would only be achievable with a firearm, so having that in the equation and available would be horrifically dangerous, and I do not want to risk ruining everything all because of a quick 15 minute decision due to a rough patch that I could have pushed through. I also have family experience with that situation, so I am beyond terrified to allow myself to own a gun, no matter how much I love weapons and would love to own a Mosin or 74.
It is sad how cost prohibitive it all is though, especially for a student that has to decide if he wants to put gas in his car to get to class and buy food, or to drive to the range and buy bullets. So sadly it isn’t very realistic.
This is also my issue. Id like to own a gun as a means of a quick way out. But also only due to the rise in fascist violence. When can I say that enough is enough amd Im certain we are at a point of no return? I dont want to get captured, basically.
Adding onto ComradeSalad’s points, they’re 100% a last resort if you can’t find some actual communists to shoot with. I was in a chapter with about 8 people 5 years or so ago and I was the only self-identified Marxist. Social democrats, anarchists, left-liberals. “Left unity” out the ass (unless you’re an ML, good luck).
They’ve got a sex pest and ideological chaos problem. The SRA subreddit is evidence enough of their nonsense.
I was in a chapter with about 8 people 5 years or so ago and I was the only self-identified Marxist. Social democrats, anarchists, left-liberals.
Social democrats, anarchists, left-liberals.
The shit?! What are they doing in a SOCIALIST GUN CLUB?! Why even call it a Socialist Rifle Association at that point?! I thought there already was a Liberal Gun Club, why don’t they go there instead?
Sorry, I’ve never been to a SRA before (doesn’t exist here), so I’m shocked to see SRA members not being S.
By theory they mean the likes of Zizek and Chomsky, I’m sure. Unfortunately there are a lot of other popular, Western ‘Marxist’ theorists, too, who don’t support AES. They can be a good route in, but unless there’s some encouragement to read ML works, it’s a dead end branch of theory. For some reason, those newer theorists get rather a lot of distribution.
I will say that the SRA are leagues better then almost every other organization out there, and they have been a fantastic resource in education related to Leftist gun ownership. However the cost of entry is still prohibitive, and the membership only adds to that. Along with the fact that as a student I am strapped for time, money, and transportation that would be required. It is also difficult to know where to start, but that is more problem for myself.
Increasingly the most realistic looking way to arm up would be to something akin to what’s happened here; knock out the local grid and take advantage of the chaos to rob gun stores. Provided the plan was well organised and executed like this, a group of people could stand to walk away with a personal armoury.
John Brown Gun Glub is public in the US and tho not ML, in active areas they actively counter right wing militia groups when they show up at events and protests i think? I have seen some videos showing that i think.
We’re all in local orgs and things like SRA, but national organizing around leaderless consensus was a terrible idea.
Leaderless organizing turns into popularity contests. The guy with buddies gets control. If it hadn’t fallen apart like this, we were still absolute fedbait and honestly this might have all been COINTELPRO shit anyway. Organize around ideals, theory, and use accountable committees
There are chapters elsewhere, but it’s become extremely decentralized. Elm Fork is by far the most reliable when it comes to showing up and doing stuff, though.
So why aren’t you?
The cost of everything related to guns is becoming increasingly prohibitive, with for example a single small box of ammunition costing up to a whole weeks worth of groceries. Along with that, all places to learn/practice skills are infested and crawling with these same types of right-wing delusional terrorists. I also don’t know if I’d trust myself to own a weapon such as a gun due to my mental health, despite how much I might like to own one.
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Sadly, I feel that if worst comes to worst, I would never want to make myself or anyone else suffer, and I’d prefer to go quickly and painlessly. Which would only be achievable with a firearm, so having that in the equation and available would be horrifically dangerous, and I do not want to risk ruining everything all because of a quick 15 minute decision due to a rough patch that I could have pushed through. I also have family experience with that situation, so I am beyond terrified to allow myself to own a gun, no matter how much I love weapons and would love to own a Mosin or 74.
It is sad how cost prohibitive it all is though, especially for a student that has to decide if he wants to put gas in his car to get to class and buy food, or to drive to the range and buy bullets. So sadly it isn’t very realistic.
While obviously a bad thing, it’s strangely comforting to see people avoiding firearms for the same reason I do.
This is also my issue. Id like to own a gun as a means of a quick way out. But also only due to the rise in fascist violence. When can I say that enough is enough amd Im certain we are at a point of no return? I dont want to get captured, basically.
Damn, even places like the Socialist Rifle Association?
Adding onto ComradeSalad’s points, they’re 100% a last resort if you can’t find some actual communists to shoot with. I was in a chapter with about 8 people 5 years or so ago and I was the only self-identified Marxist. Social democrats, anarchists, left-liberals. “Left unity” out the ass (unless you’re an ML, good luck).
They’ve got a sex pest and ideological chaos problem. The SRA subreddit is evidence enough of their nonsense.
The shit?! What are they doing in a SOCIALIST GUN CLUB?! Why even call it a Socialist Rifle Association at that point?! I thought there already was a Liberal Gun Club, why don’t they go there instead?
Sorry, I’ve never been to a SRA before (doesn’t exist here), so I’m shocked to see SRA members not being S.
EDIT: Also what’s with this “sex pest” problem?
All those people think they are the “real” socialists
No one vetted them before letting them in? Wow…
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By theory they mean the likes of Zizek and Chomsky, I’m sure. Unfortunately there are a lot of other popular, Western ‘Marxist’ theorists, too, who don’t support AES. They can be a good route in, but unless there’s some encouragement to read ML works, it’s a dead end branch of theory. For some reason, those newer theorists get rather a lot of distribution.
I will say that the SRA are leagues better then almost every other organization out there, and they have been a fantastic resource in education related to Leftist gun ownership. However the cost of entry is still prohibitive, and the membership only adds to that. Along with the fact that as a student I am strapped for time, money, and transportation that would be required. It is also difficult to know where to start, but that is more problem for myself.
Increasingly the most realistic looking way to arm up would be to something akin to what’s happened here; knock out the local grid and take advantage of the chaos to rob gun stores. Provided the plan was well organised and executed like this, a group of people could stand to walk away with a personal armoury.
What makes you think i’m not already armed?
IMO, there should be more marxist-leninist militias
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You’re right actually, they favor the right wing.
John Brown Gun Glub is public in the US and tho not ML, in active areas they actively counter right wing militia groups when they show up at events and protests i think? I have seen some videos showing that i think.
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Oh damn the more you learn™️
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Realizing anarchism doesnt work in real time:
There are chapters elsewhere, but it’s become extremely decentralized. Elm Fork is by far the most reliable when it comes to showing up and doing stuff, though.
I’m kinda afraid what would happen in Poland after Ukraine war ends. Both nazi remnants and black market weapons will flood us.