• sicaniv
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    We have an influx of Liberandus here on lemmygrad too. Let’s deprogram.

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        only when subjects don’t show any improvements and are persistent with same old attitude of – “not gonna get it”.

        Or a proactive ban in case downvote rates surpass 30%.

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          Yeah for sure, if people are just lacking education and are willing to learn then we should do everything to help them out. We just need to keep the trolls out.

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            Would it be ok if down voted and upvoted posts were visible to mods as per “our instance our rule” or it would look/go bad for community?

            It would to keep trolls and - only trolls - out without any false positives.

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    Lets destroy a sovereign country and annex it because:

    • some people there may be nazis
    • sudeten, oops, russian minority
    • being pro-Amerikkka

    How do you even exist with yourselves. You are a joke.

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        And it’s truly sovereign after it gets destroyed and annexed by a different foreign government, really?

        Fuck western nations but like also fuck Putin’s Russia

        • ☭ 𝗚𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗘𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 ☭MA
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          After the fascist coup, Crimea and the Donbas very reasonably wanted to separate from the new government. The coup government reacts by sending fascists to occupy the Donbas. Russia waits for almost a decade, trying multiple times to make a deal with the coup government and its backers to leave the Donbas alone and let it have some level of autonomy. The coup government repeatedly violates both of the Minsk agreements and continues killing civilians. Russia finally accepts the request from the DPR and LPR to send troops into the region. Ukraine continues attacking the Donbas and eventually Russia and the Donbas republics decide that they have to enter Ukraine in order to stop the attacks. During this time, Russia attempts many times to negotiate a peace deal, which Ukraine’s coup government almost accepts until some imperialist mascot like Boris Johnson travels to Kyiv and tells Zelensky not to accept the deal. As a result, the war continues.

          but clearly this is all Russia’s fault

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            Anyone claiming that all nations involved aren’t highly culpable for the destruction of Ukraine are pretty ignorant of the situation.

            But to go to bat for the literal invaders? Wild.

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            Yuck, you’re disgusting and I hope your dreams are full of dead Ukranian children. I think I’m going back to Reddit

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        Let’s not kid ourselves, people, they are both nazi regimes. Russia is not the USSR, it is a mafia state. The existence of the Ukrainian and Russian governments is a crime against humanity, they are not our friends.

        Instead of helping one side or the other, we should destroy them both. Putin and Zelensky should be hanged and their illegitimate fascist governments should be overthrown.

        Once the Western thugs have dealt with either one of them. There would certainly be a in-fighting between these capitalists lusting after power and gold.

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    And then when you say you don’t support Ukraine, you’re the Nazi.

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    For the new users here, I recommend reading the following thread to understand why lemmygrad users take the stance they take: https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/418335

    Is there a particular reason why many of y’all here seem to support Russia in this conflict? It seems to me that Russia are the aggressors, and I kind of understand why Russia invaded Ukraine (strategic location and reduce their border with NATO), but isn’t it still the case that Ukrainian and Russian citizens shouldn’t have to suffer and be annexed to Russia? I’m asking this question in good faith, I’m still a baby socialist.

    In particular, I recommend @CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml’s comment in that thread.

    I also recommend reading this post: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/687025 (Titled «A comment on the Russia/NATO war»)

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      You guys spread putins propaganda?

      Western media used to spread Putin propaganda before February 2022 too, look.

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        Listen Jack, there’s no propaganda, anyway Cornboy war a bad hombre shakes hand of absent person showers nazis in money

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      Nazis in Ukraine doesn’t justify the war, but it needs to be fucking addressed.

      We are sending billions in weapons to Ukraine without the faintest idea where they end up, and which hands get to store them. Edit: We kind of do know, but close our eyes to that reality.

      Last time we did this, it was Taliban/ISIS/Al-Queda. Shouts out to our Anti-Soviet freedom fighter Osama Bin Laden:

      White ISIS might be just around the corner.

      So what can we do? End the war.

      Peace negotiations and humanitarian help for the people caught in the middle. Fuck Russia, but also fuck America and NATO. We(Western nations) provoked this war, and it has been brewing for at least a decade. We did absolutely nothing to prevent it. On the contrary: We supported fascists and nazis in Ukraine, and expanded militarybases across Russian borders.

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      Ukraine has a serious Nazi problem. You’re going to have to grow up and learn to deal with the real world.

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        The world has a serious nazi problem. Russia has way bigger nazi problems. Poland is run by the PiS, nazis.

        You wanna see the real world honey? Nazis are all over, and it just helps the facist putin to support his claim of nazis in Ukraine

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          Show me anywhere in the world that has open Nazi units serving in the military.

          Show me anywhere in the world that openly celebrates Nazis as national holidays.

          Show me anywhere in the world that renames streets, shopping malls, stadiums after Nazis.

          Show me anywhere in the world that runs Nazi indoctrination camps for children.

          I can show you all of these for Ukraine.

          Over to you. Darling.

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            Show me anywhere in the world that openly celebrates Nazis as national holidays.

            Latvia comes immediately to mind, which coincidentally is one of the most zealous supporters of Ukraine and USA.

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            All of the Balkans do that too. Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia have open nazis and fascists serving and commanding their militaries. Croats after the Ustaše, Bosniaks too. Serbs on the other hand glorify the Chetniks, rehabilitate mass murderers and anti-communist war criminals (rehabilitated Nikola Kalabic a few days ago as we speak). There is no city in Bosnia that has not got a street, school or sport club named after a Ustaša, or a Chetnik or a Bosniak radical muslim fascist. That doesn’t only happen in Ukraine. Greece, Bulgaria, Romania they all do it too.

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              Croatia, Bosnia and Serbia have open nazis and fascists serving and commanding their militaries

              I really wonder how that came to be, don’t click here it has nothing to do with it ;)

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          The world has a serious nazi problem

          Agreed, but some countries have it worse than others. I’m sure there’s some nazoids lurking around in the shadows in China or Vietnam, but the issue in Ukraine is that they are in the government and have a pretty significant representation in the army.

          https://files.catbox.moe/qpip95.webm

          Russia has way bigger nazi problems

          It doesn’t.

          Russia is pretty far from perfect and people who idolize Putin are lost, but in this regard they are leagues above Ukraine.

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            Remember when Andrzej Duda came out after entire night of brainstorming after the missile killed 2 people in Poland and said “There is absolutely no reason to suspect it was deliberate attack on Poland”?

            Literal Kremlin propagandist apparently, according to what i read in reddit immediately after the event.

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          You’re right: it supports his claim of Nazis in Ukraine to point out that there are Nazis in Ukraine. I guess we should just keep pretending that Azov & co. aren’t Nazis so we don’t do that. Next we should stop breathing oxygen so we don’t support Putin’s claim that breathing oxygen is good.

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          I agree we should wage unlimited warfare on all fascists, and I support Ukrainian fascists killing Russian fascists, let them take care of each other. Your point?

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      No investigation, no right to speak

      Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn’t that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense?

      It won’ t do!

      It won’t do!

      You must investigate!

      You must not talk nonsense!

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      I think the first question you should ask yourself is why do you think Putin spreads propaganda, but the western media spreads the truth and facts?

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        You’re definitely not living in Russia or in one of the neighbouring countries, bet.

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          Not the person you responded to, but I’m in the US (which technically does have a border with Russia). At least in the state I grew up in, the education system definitely had anti-communist propaganda in the schools.

          You don’t have to support Russia, but you shouldn’t deny facts. It’s well-known that the Azov Battalion has Nazis prevalent.

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            Not just azov, also aidar, tornado, the territorial defense units, the SBU, a shitload o UA soldiers run around with UPA patches, so them too…

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            As I replied in somewhere else in this thread “There are right-wing removed in every army, in every nation. Weirdly enough fascists and nationalists love to join the army hmmmm”

            But let me rephrase “neighbouring countries” as ex-ussr countries. They’re all lining up to join Russia again.

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              There are right-wing removed in every army, in every nation. Weirdly enough fascists and nationalists love to join the army hmmmm

              Sure, but you’re conveniently ignoring the issue of prevalence. As an extreme example, do you think the US military and Nazi Germany had the same amount of Nazis?

              They’re all lining up to join Russia again.

              Even Ukraine? Wouldn’t you think they’d embrace Putin with open arms then instead of bothering to fight back then?

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                As an extreme example, do you think the US military and Nazi Germany had the same amount of Nazis?

                I’m on your side for the rest of the post, but this example isn’t great imo. The US is absolutely a Nazi country, they were just more successful in their settler genocide. They literally have the largest prison pop in the whole world, full of impoverished people of color who are literally enslaved. Many in prison are sterilized against their will. They have for generations killed millions and millions of people abroad to stop communism and immiserate and expropriate those populations. Like I could go on, but Nazi Germany was inspired by the US. They even said the US went a little too far. The US won the war and is the most powerful country on the planet, so they wrote the history and they control the media narrative, so we can pretend like the Germans were worse

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                The part about everyone lining up to join Russia was sarcastic. No ex-ussr country wants to go back to how things were.

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                  You know nothing, it must be difficult as a 15 year old Western kid to think you can speak for Eastern Europeans.

                  Best case scenario you’re Polish or Hungarian, and have guzzled stories from your fascist grandparents about the horrors of the Union.

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                  “Soviet Union bad” So you’d rather those dirty subhuman asiatics stayed uncivilized and barbaric instead of becoming the second-strongest world power? Are we a little… afraid?

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      Well yeah I need these rubles to pay for my faux fur ushankas

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      I mean the Azov Batallion is a nazi organization. This is commonly accepted knowledge and a result of Stepan Bandera (a nazi who wanted independence from the Soviet Union) being the primary driver of nationalist sentiment in Ukraine. The western media just want to pretend like the fact that they ‘only’ run the propaganda for the National Guard isn’t bad enough to make every soldier a nazi.

      …And that’s a fair point but irrelevant to whether the Ukrainian military has fascist sympathies. Imperialist wars are always motivated by capitalist interests and fought with the blood of workers. The question is who’s material interests those workers are serving, wittingly or no. The Ukrainian ministry is giving a lot of power very specifically to the tiny militia of Azov Batallion which I think answers that question.

      Finally, yes it’s also Russian propaganda but that says more about the west than Russia. If the Kremlin can invade a country and make itself look like it has the moral highground while doing it using commonly accepted facts you really fucked up. They might not be on the right side of history, but you are on the really really far outer edge of the wrong side of it.