I’ve been having some rather awkward feelings about the Lemmygrad community and have lurked for a while but I have decided to do something interesting for now. What if the United States had finally undergone a successful socialist revolution through general revolution and civil war for socialist cause. What would it look like? A federal republic or something different?
America cannot exist as a Socialist country, it must be balkanised and rebuilt from the ground up - it’s institutions and it’s culture are too inherently evil to leave any remnants of the previous nation
I disagree with calling everything about America evil. What allows the empire to get away with the crimes it does will not last. While the masses are brainwashed, and institutions are corrupt, that does not mean that new institutions can’t be built. While America is terrible in many ways, there are progressive elements that have existed but were not taught about in schooling. Those progressive elements often lost, but the conditions that insured the empire’s victories are crumbling. I pray that the CPC stays it’s socialist vision and destroys the empire’s trade advantages with the belt and road initiative. The American bourgeois will arrogantly make decisions to run the empire into the ground because they won’t acknowledge that they are the problem. The power of the empire shall wane and will lash out in agony. We must prevent that from being a nuclear apocalypse. We must make America fall but in a way that just gives up then starts rotting to a third world nation. That rotting corpse is the food for socialist institutions to thrive and prosper.
Well, no one is suggesting the US be glassed in the presence of other options, but I’ll remind you that although German Democratic Republic managed to create one of the most progressive societies at its time in a generation, this didn’t happen with access to the military might or industrial base of 1939 Germany. It was ravaged by war and nazism, nearly every last trace of nazism was eradicated and that was enough only because in the previous decade nazism had destroyed or absorbed every institution or movement in the country.
I’m obviously not saying war and devastation are good, this is merely an observation. Capitalism had taken root deep into society in early 20th c. and even deeper now in the west. These roots might not wither while the ground feeding them is undisturbed.
this might help in my idea of Fortress Socialism.
So, Barracks Socialism 2?
Nah, just prioritizing building a stable food supply for the upcoming rapid industrialization - which is possible thanks to modern technology.
Team Socialism 2
You’ve also got a point there.
Bingo
Idk if Balkanization really makes things better.
Like the USSR, it would probably be split into several SSRs and ASSRs for the colonized nations (New Afrika, Chicano, various native nations; Hawaii and Puerto Rico might become independent like Finland did) and end up looking nothing like the original empire. The original constitution and government would be abolished instead of just putting better people in the existing order. Considering how developed the US is, you might not need an NEP and could go straight into 5-year plans, depending on how bad the civil war is. A Soviet of Nationalities would also need to be created based on the one in the USSR to combat settler colonialism and white chauvinism. Like the white emigres of Russia or Cuban gusanos, many bourgeois would probably flee to Canada/Japan/EU unless those areas had a revolution earlier or at the same time.
I agree. Say, what do you think of a successor’s name for the United States of America and tbh. I think if a Socialist US or something would ever exist. It would have to be different from US. American as a demonym should remain up to the people. One of the more sillier names I had was Continental from Altverse II. https://wiki.conworlds.org/wiki/United_Commonwealth https://i.redd.it/gt7kvhysln191.jpg
Definitely think a change would be a good idea, the current name is too long, inaccurate (the country doesn’t unite all of America) propaganda (lol how united those states). Only worse country name is the so-called “United” “Kingdom”.
Some silly names there were either Continental or Usonian. lol
I made a map of it:
I’d much rather have something resembling the USSR than straight up just giving up territories.
The PSL put out a book about it, written by Dr. Jodi Dean and Brian Becker.
Also, read Decolonization Is Not A Metaphor
As always, depends on the material conditions. What kind of socialist party seizes the government? What tools did they use to get the masses on their side? There will be aftereffects countering reactionaries everywhere. I’d hope some sort of cultural revolution would occur as well to purge the imperialist, racist, misogynist views from the mainstream and focus on materially helping everyone regardless of how different they are.
We’ll never know the full outcome till it is built. Incorporating everyone’s ideas of a better tomorrow for a more sustainable future for our posterity. A federation of some sort, regardless seems like a good idea just because of how large the landmass is.
I personally have a vision of how to go about implementing this, but speaking about it publicly is dangerous because then feds can mimic it and use it as a means to prevent revolution.
The important thing is what we want to promote and what the world is like when we succeed. We won’t need to build anymore prizons because so many already exist lol! focusing on reforming people and building people to be workers in a society that everyone can contribute to (as they are able) and everyone can benefit from.
If you want to hear about utopian ideas that could be implemented with current technology, i’d listen to Srsly wrong as a podcast (I like their vision of library socialism), but acknowledge the thesis of the world that is, then the antithesis of the world we want, and our praxis will manifest the synthesis of the world that emerges. Our goal is not to build things perfectly, but build them better and seize power from those that maintain capitalism, and also keep power from going back to the capitalists and recationaries.
Thanks for the tip, tbh. I kind of think the same. If America is to change it must die and be rebuilt, one of my favorite interpretations of this was the Atlverse II’s United Commonwealth of Continental States (UCCS) which is the USSR but in North America and had an interesting take. I really liked its flag and so on.
If you have your vision, I’d ask you to build a strong mind that doesn’t worry about what it can’t control. Start a book club so that you have people to help you and broaden your understanding of your local community. Make sure that you can verify that your decisions are benefiting the workers. While the workers may be reactionary in many ways they always have a dialectical relationship with their direct experience of working. Propaganda works best to shape one’s understanding of what is most away from oneself, not what is closest to oneself.
I honestly wish I could take the commitment to helping spread avocation for Socialist Revolution but I just don’t have the strength and self-esteem, perhaps in the future.
I dreamt up of a similar country called the Federation of Wolfstaat (think East Germany + USSR on steroids) for a fantasy setting.
It should, and probably will, be led by indigenous and black people. The Red Nation has various articles and documents describing their vision
Not stupid at all wtf? That’s a great question, although who is to say for sure, “crystal balls” and all that.
Will edit and write my speculation later.
For all I know the US would be split.
Burgers banned, white people enslaved, mandatory gayness, Islam is state religion, gulags in Alaska, 300 000 trillion dead (unborn babies)
If America becomes socialist I don’t think the 2nd amendment would go away assuming the rest of the constitution would
IDC as long as it’s called the USSA. /s
such a wholesome question 😻
