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Jesus Christ this post is a war zone
Saw a pair of your insightful comments! It was awesome to read it! Thanks for sharing, comrade.
np 🫡
What do you mean?
read the comment section lmao
Oh, I think I’m missing out here due to our Great Communist Firewall.
I only see our comments. Haha
This meme would be so much better if the top image was the one you used for the bottom image, and the bottom image was a real photo of some place nice in China.
You can give it a shot
The troll level of this post is too damn high
The troll level of this post is too damn high
On the contrary, the based level of this post is too damn high.
Meanwhile in communist China:
Meanwhile in capitalist USA:
Let me know how many paychecks you are away from being homeless in freedomland lol.
In case anybody is wondering, that photograph is nearly eight years old.
Where does it even come from
As a statement of fact, China has done more to alleviate poverty than any country in world history, and is continuing to do so.
Meanwhile US cities are spending millions on filling public property with spikes, bollards, sawblades, boulders, and other vicious devices everywhere to keep the poors from committing the crime of being alive. The US state of California has a higher GDP than most countries; take a look at a public park, sidewalk or under any bridge there. You can even be arrested for feeding homeless people in the US. Pretty big difference between wealth extraction and distribution.
Fuck off, cracker
Who knew communists were so tender that they can’t handle anyone to enter their circlejerk?
“their circlejerk” it’s you libs that cannot stand proper debate and end up banning everyone that doesn’t align with your orthodoxy. Countless times I’ve seen many communists arguing in good faith and defending their points in very popular mainstream communities and guess how they’re treated? With bans.
You come here and post some random ass picture out of nowhere clearly in bad faith and label it “meanwhile in communist china”. While it is true China is not perfect and poverty absolutely exists, your comment was clearly made in bad faith in the typical smug-lib fashion, devoid of any critical thinking… Because if you did have any, you’d know about the poverty alleviation campaign in China that ended back in 2020. If you want to have a proper discussion and not be met with hostility, at least make it sound like you do, because I’m sure there are lots of people here that are willing to listen to your arguments and argue back, unlike in the so-called free-thinking liberal spaces.
Slight deviation here, but I find it funny how y’all love to pretend China is capitalist until the moment any imperfection (there are many, and no sane communist would ever deny them, unlike you libs under your capitalist regimes) appears. When that happens, suddenly China is communist and all proper discussions about said imperfection, such as how it came to be and how it can be resolved, (usually made by communists lol) are terminated, since it is you libs and your thought-terminating anticommunist orthodoxy that refuse to look at anything in a critical lens.
Edit: typos and added sources
With bans.
Sometimes, it’s worse than ban. It’s shadow ban.
I have a feeling that YouTube has this particular behavior where, if my comment was simple and trollish, it’s visible for everyone to see. But if it contains proper analysis that combat the propaganda, it’s invisible.
right yea, forgot to mention that
Man, that’s a lot of text.
Yeah, people here don’t have to sound out our words when we read.
Maybe that’s it but I think it’s more along the lines of just “post a baseless meme in good faith then stroke each other until we all cum on it.” Nobody seems to point out the ridiculous nature of the original meme but you folks practically fall over each other in an effort to retort any comment that points out that fact.
I’m all for believing in a ideal but come on, you’ve got to admit it would take an 11 year old child’s sense of reality to even believe the insinuation of the OP.
And shit on the US all you want. It’s a terrible system controlled by corporations and the only people that believe who they vote for matters are dimwits that believe the bullshit pedaled to them by the media. I just think you should also understand that the reality of your ideal is no better. It’s just different branding of the same control by those at the top.
And shit on the US all you want. It’s a terrible system controlled by corporations and the only people that believe who they vote for matters are dimwits that believe the bullshit pedaled to them by the media. I just think you should also understand that the reality of your ideal is no better. It’s just different branding of the same control by those at the top.
There have been some material pointed at you for reading already, so I just want to say that this is just common liberal thinking used to discredit any attempt of change by claiming everything is the same, “it’s all different power hungry elites at the top” stuff.
That’s a fundamentally wrong view of how societies work that not only completely ignores class struggle, also ignores all the advancement made in socialist societies. You are already on the right path and identified that the US is controlled by corporations, you just gotta go further and realize these corporations have owners, the extremely wealthy, the capitalist class. From there you can start to understand the interests a government serves under a capitalist society. That’s not to say there haven’t been any mistakes and wrongdoings in socialist societies, far from that, we are very aware of that and self-critique is core to communist thought.
With all that said, there isn’t much I can add here that will convince you or anything, this is something that takes willingness, time and research. What I can ask of you is to at least give it a fair thought. If you want good starting places in a video format in english, give Second Thought, Hakim and Yugopnik a watch from time to time.
it really isn’t, but if all you can say is “that’s a lot of text” then idk what to tell you. Maybe stick around with an open mind and try interacting with the community for a while! You could start by asking (good faith) questions in a few threads, like “oh why do you people support X (genuine question)” and you’ll not only be met with respect but have the opportunity to have a proper discussion.
I truly appreciate the offer and I do see a lot of posts from the group in my feed so I get some sense of the ethos but be honest. Seeing the meme that started this thread is not a good-faith “let’s discuss the differences” that some of you seem to be saying the group is made up of. It’s more along the lines of “Let’s shit on this thing over here, say our thing is awesome, even through it’s awfully flawed as well” and then half your crew falls apart when someone points that out.
I often do find myself with questions regarding what makes the community so fervent but in fairness, anyone that believes the bullshit being pedaled in the meme would not be someone I would expect a level-headed explanation from.
I understand, and I also won’t deny there are people online who glorify China (and past Socialism, such as the Eastern Bloc) and genuinely believe everything there was/is perfect. To me, it’s as anticommunist and dangerous to believe and promote this narrative as the opposite one, where everything there is dystopian, freedom doesn’t exist and whatnot. To pretend a problem in a given social system either doesn’t exist or that is being addressed correctly will only make things worse for the people living under that system.
In Blackshirts and Reds, Parenti goes in great detail about the deficiencies of the former Eastern Bloc in Chapter 4. It’s a great book overall, and easy to read.
China is a country with a very complex history (bound to happen when your civilisation spans over 5000 years) that barely managed to free itself from the shackles of Imperialism, so to believe that after 1949 (founding of the PRC) every single problem of the old society went away is just wishful thinking. They made many mistakes and there was excess mortality in many instances, for example the Cultural Revolution. They’ve improved a lot since then, but still have ways to go as Socialist construction progresses.
Lastly, as for the contents of the meme, yeah I’m not a great fan of these so I can relate to you in this regard.
Oh noes, some poverty still exists in the country well known for rapidly pulling over 800 million people out of abject poverty!
Look at photos of just about any Chinese cities 2-3 decades ago contrasted with photos of those same cities as they are now. And then compare that to say New Orleans, or even the liberal bastion of San Francisco (look at those tent cities of unhoused people stretching for miles) 2-3 decades ago vs those cities as they are now. What you’ll see is a very obvious trend of poverty reduction in China and the clear decay of increased poverty in the US.
