base model PS5 does not have built in FSR of any sort

Well nobody has built-in FSR. It’s a software that runs on the GPU. (With the relevant exception of PSSR). The reason FSR4 only officially supports RDNA4 and up is because RDNA4 has much faster 8-bit floating point operations. Floating point operations is the primary thing GPUs are used for. So it’s a very general improvement/design change/new feature that allows FSR4 to run fast, not a specialised extra chip in RDNA4 series GPUs. 8 bit is very imprecise and therefore less used in graphics, but good for AI. Nvidia already had this.

studios can write their own implementation of FSR and there’s apparently a few games that did just that, but the majority of PS5 games don’t

So FSR is a specific program using a specific algorithm. (With FSR1, 2, 3, etc being different from each other). So nobody is writing new FSR implementations. Might not even be legal. It’s a case of including the program (and of course writing the surrounding code to use it, which is probably what you meant). But I mention to highlight that the reason most PS5 games don’t use FSR is because FSR usually wasn’t the best use of that performance.

(FSR1, and to some extent FSR2/3 worked on very sparse data, they’re essentially post-process effects. If you’re writing a game engine then you have a lot of insight into the frame and can instead use similar tricks to upscale along the way, or with using data from previous frames, data from non-final passes, etc, to upscale your game either cheaper or better. For example Epic’s TSR is able to get better results for cheaper because it’s more integrated into the steps along the way to the final image. There’s also XeSS which looks better and supports RDNA2 at least on PC).

You didn’t see much FSR1 use because it wasn’t very good. I’d think 2 and 3 are more popular. And on the previous topic of hardware requirements: Steam Machine is RDNA3 so it’s FSR3 they’re talking about for the Steam Machine - Same one the base PS5’s RDNA2 GPU can use. So I can’t see it being any sort of silver bullet - But it is true that RDNA3 has some new features over RDNA2. If a game is built around intense matrix maths it can’t run on PS5 but can on RDNA3. There will be some shaders and AI-adjacent things that run faster on Steam Machine. But not FSR.

custom co-developed implementation
PSSR, a custom implementation of AMD’s FSR that they co-developed with AMD

It isn’t, it’s it’s own thing. Or rather, it’s FSR4, not FSR1-3. FSR4 and PSSR are AI, that means they need training data. And that’s why PSSR is made by/with Sony, because Sony is allowed to use PlayStation licensed games to get the training data and AMD isn’t. Unless Valve has done something clever with the license they aren’t allowed to train on Steam games. (Of course the way Nvidia got around this was to just train on commercial games and not worry about it, so maybe PlayStations’ catalogue isn’t actually that valuable =P). So it’s unlikely that the Steam Machine will have a proprietary FSR4 model that’s better than the AMD provided one.

I think the reason Valve’s messaging has been so heavy on FSR isn’t because they have a way to make FSR better cooking in their lab, but because they want to be able to simultaneously say “4K” to console players and “Not 4K” to PC players. Hence “4K with FSR”.

I hope this is clear and not too wordy and not condescending. It sounded like you were misunderstanding FSR slightly.

they were primarily making noise about Frame Generation

Some people don’t like frame generation because it adds latency and works poorly with V-Sync. But there are also a lot of people who just hate AI because of how it’s made. You see it every day on Lemmy.

I’m of the opinion that the Steam Machine will easily match the base PS5, and likely land somewhere between it and the PS5 Pro

I just don’t see how that’s possible without a faster GPU.

the work Valve has put into Steam OS itself and how it may compare to running the same games under Windows

It’s true that sometimes the same Windows game can run faster. But in this case we’re talking about GPU-limited games, and there the fact that Linux is faster doesn’t help. Both on Linux and Windows the OS overhead is negligible and the GPU driver is in complete control. If a game is ever faster on GPU side on Linux it’ll be because the emulation was bad and skipped some steps.

I’m not some hardcore Valve fanboy and am open to new information/perspective changing my opinion. I appreciate the discussion :)

I didn’t get any sort of bad impression. I don’t think anything you said is unfair, but I’m making the case for why I disagree.

Sure, it’s not a complete apples to apples comparison. But I don’t think a newer FSR version will that drastically improve the perception. It’s not like upscaling and reconstruction isn’t available at all on PS5. (Plus aren’t a lot of people anti-AI and boycotting those features?)

Which angle are you arguing?
FSR4+ will/can make the same game look better on this PC than PS5? Or FSR4+ has value and should be considered in the cost-benefit?

If the first, then we’d have to look at evidence. Are there any games where the PS5 version is obviously (visible to new customers) worse looking than the low-medium settings, 8GB-spec PC version? Maybe a few but I wouldn’t expect it to hold true for most big sellers. There aren’t even that many FSR4 games period. Maybe that’s a point in favour? This’ll be more future-proof than PS5. Though PS6 is probably not that far away either.

On the flip side games like Alan Wake 2 and Indiana Jones run great on base PS5 but won’t on PC with 8GB. I found this video on the topic with many comparisons. https://youtu.be/cFlaymC-vZI
The video shows that it’s not as dramatic a difference as I implied and assumed, but it still demonstrates that it does often make an immediately appreciable difference. Particularly when it comes to stutters. It’s also testing a card with only 12GB, but the PS5 can comfortably be used for even heavier scenarios.

everyone seems to be forgetting the “semi custom” bit

They’ve already explained the customisation, which is that it’s missing 4 compute units compared to the consumer version. So taking it into account would mean that we’d compare it to a lower tier GPU than the current assumption.

but it’s shared and the Steam Machine has more total memory

I’d be willing to wager that it’ll beat the base PS5

The system having more total memory than the PS5 isn’t going to help. Games are designed with the PS5’s configuration in mind and make assumptions about the available memory. Video memory is also just a lot more useful than system memory. It’s a lot (~10x) faster, and all the things that take up space are things related to video. Even if it received native ports, it wouldn’t be able to run PS5 games as well as the PS5. The CPU does sound faster. It can probably run Cities Skylines faster than a base PS5.

I also think it’ll be under €500, but I don’t really except it to be better priced than a console. If I wanted to play Fifa, and I can get Fifa bundled with a PS5 for €450, then it would have to be €380 to match the value. And then I’d need to think about like, do I trust PlayStation? Of course, it’s the 5th PlayStation I’d be buying. Vs do I trust these people? Which version looks better? It’ll be the PlayStation version. Which version is more likely to just work with the fewest updates and faff? It’ll be the PlayStation version also.

ABetterTomorrow@sh.itjust.works asking for it to be $250 isn’t that far off what it would have to cost to sell the 300+ million lifetime units Julian Benson is alluding to.

https://www.digitalfoundry.net/features/hands-on-with-steam-machine-valves-new-pcconsole-hybrid
8GB RX7600. PS5 is in the same compute ballpark but with double the available video memory in the form of shared memory. In practice that still means a lot more available video memory, though not double.

This isn’t as powerful as a PS5 or as portable as a Switch (and doesn’t have the benefits of a console). So it should be cheaper. Looking at the prices right now, PS5 with Fifa is 450 from MediaMarkt and Series S is 380. But the PS5 is already heavily criticised for being too expensive. I believe Series S can be 300 if you look around and wait for a sale.

Anywhere where the original was small and tangible, the Bluepoint version is grand and fantastical. It’s too big a departure. I also hated their take on Shadow of the Colossus being presented as interchangeable with the original.

They make these games look very pretty, but in context, some scenes aren’t their best version when they are pretty in that way.

If you search for “Nazism” it shows up. https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/4069723
It’s voted on every year, so you can track the changes in attitudes in different places.

Hamas is hiding in fishing rods.

Yes but why Lemmy? There are more mature forum softwares. Your proposal doesn’t benefit from federation and doesn’t benefit from a UI optimised for discussing external links. You can of course continue using your real-ID account and interact with the Fediverse that way but no one else is doing real-ID so I don’t see that as a positive.

It’s also their economy. They might refuse because they want to eat.

Starmer has been ramping up on domestic and European defence spending

In complete accordance with the USA’s orders? These were the USA’s orders to the UK. https://www.war.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/4064113/opening-remarks-by-secretary-of-defense-pete-hegseth-at-ukraine-defense-contact/

Is anything Starmer has done in conflict with these orders? Has he done anything that makes it harder or impossible to follow these orders in the future that shows that he’s disregarding them? Otherwise, the specific examples you gave are in line with following the USA’s orders so far.

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A word used with its dictionary definition is precise. The fault here is entirely with you for not knowing its dictionary definition. Those aren’t consecutive steps of reason, I repeated the same information multiple times.

If someone threatens you like that, and they say “I will wrong all persons sharing your name”, do you simply assume you aren’t included in the threat? In talking to you, it seems like your only motivation is wasting time and playing devil’s advocate for impossible to defend positions, in hopes of catching an amphibolic technicality.

You seem to want to derail the converstation to make it appear like I argue that it has something to do with the nature of their religion

If that isn’t your position, then clarify your position. Stop with your vague allusions. What point where you trying to make? Why did you previously describe countries as “muslim majority” and “Sunni”? Speaking in dog-whistles only invites assumptions. Clarify your position.

If you want to go into why I think it’s mentionable that basically all of the important sunni states are on board I suggest you start by reading about the Abraham Accords and how that history ties in with what happened with Gaza.

Ah well you see, that’s actually refuted by if you read the history of the Tulkarem electrical safety building codes. Or perhaps it would be better if you actually explained your own position.

His apology is public in the sense that they proudly and loudly proclaimed he did so before praising Qatar for supporting their plan.

Strange that I couldn’t hear it.

Would you accept a fraction of this attitude towards your own home?

I think it’s interesting that you’re turning from “religion has nothing to do with this” to something like this.

I have discovered it is possible to have empathy without religion. It’s even possible to not do tribalism.

But the words you’re using makes it sound more like you don’t honestly believe that there isn’t a religious angle to the conflict with Israel but instead that you think there should be some kind of taboo on it?

It isn’t taboo, it’s wrong. By pretending like the actors are religiously motivated, you’re pretending the Palestinians, driven by the most universal motivation there is, are in actuality esoteric and unrelatable, irrational.

I encouraged you to relate the situation to human beings twice and both times you dodged sharing your reflection. There are human beings in Ukraine, therefore it’s appropriate to ask if they would deserve better than these terms of surrender. The dominant religion doesn’t change that. There are human beings where you live, therefore it’s appropriate to ask if they deserve better than to be misrepresented like you are misrepresenting the Palestinians. There are seven hundred zero-year-olds among those culled by Israel in 2024. Did they choose to die in service of their religion?

No problem, happy to help.

one-time sponsorship to selected influencers

It is only for selected influencers, but the people in the program are supposed to post multiple times and claim similar payments every time. Many people are getting rich off this genocide.

You’re misunderstanding the nature of the posts. These aren’t low-value anonymous Reddit posts getting paid this much. This is videos on TikTok and other platforms where the poster already has a very large audience. They post the video as themselves, but with specific messaging they’re paid to promote to their audience.

This post doesn’t have any details or explanation or sources, so I understand that you weren’t able to investigate the claim. There’s a photo Netanyahu took with some influencers that are part of the program.

Perhaps you recognise some. The only person I recognise there has a minor audience and would never be paid that much for an ad-read. But of course others might have very large audiences and are routinely paid just as much to promote products.

Here’s an article that goes into more details on this story. =) https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/-israel--pays-influencers--7k-per-post-to-whitewash-gaza-gen

Feel free to let me know where you’re reading that Palestinians should kill themselves.

I did. Article 13.

I don’t know which list they’ve sent you but in mine article 13 is about the disarmament of Hamas

Trump’s exact phrasing:

Hamas and other factions agree to not have any role in the governance of Gaza, directly, indirectly, or in any form. All military, terror, and offensive infrastructure, including tunnels and weapon production facilities, will be destroyed and not rebuilt.

“And other factions” means everyone. It means PFLP, it means everyone in PLO and everyone who is part of some political entity (e.g. a labour union) is directly called out and barred from public life, and then in the same breath all military infrastructure has to be surrendered. It doesn’t say “Hamas’ weapons”, it says all weapons.

If you live next to someone actively trying to kill you and you do not have any means to protect yourself, you will be killed. There are zero steps of assumption or inference required here. It is obviously immediately equivalent to death. You pretending like there’s a semantic difference is dishonesty.

that’s the point

What point were you trying to make that I missed? Is part of the Sunni religion that you must support Donald Trump? Is Donald Trump a Sunni prophet? If that is the point you’re making, then at some point you accepted and internalised some misinformation.

making Bibi publicly apologize

Do you have a recording of this apology? Since it was public, there must be a recording.

Why else do you think they did that?

I’m not arguing the Qatari administration doesn’t care about saving face. I’m saying the administration isn’t deterred by having to participate in war crimes. Yes, obviously the optics of promising amnesty and initiating a dialogue in the guise of negotiation when your goal is assassination is very bad, and improving optics is worthwhile to the USA, Israel, and Qatar. But the tactic is demonstrably not beyond their evil. Genocide was already their baseline, so any optics management is an uphill battle, and they aren’t going to prioritise it too much.

Yeah, thanks for opening my eyes! I’ve just reread the history of the region and indeed, religious differences were never an issue there

You’re still being orientalist. It’s very off-putting. Would you accept a fraction of this attitude towards your own home?

That’s crazy. AI is fucking amazing. It super sucks as a story, and honestly I expected LLMs to get better at this sort of thing long before we could synthesise visuals like this. But as a showcase of video models it’s incredible. The faces look better than computer game faces that cost tens of thousands, hundreds when you include the hand-animation. Even just from the perspective of looking at the face animation and lip sync by itself, ignoring the quality of the face, it’s better than most AAA game cutscenes.

With the two question-marks, I’m pretty sure she was making a joke.

How was he allowed to publish this on AJ?

Even after they did him a solid and said his Roman Salute was AI?

I’m sorry do you not think this is weasely?

A Trump economic development plan to rebuild and energise Gaza will be created by convening a panel of experts who have helped birth some of the thriving modern miracle cities in the Middle East. Many thoughtful investment proposals and exciting development ideas have been crafted by well-meaning international groups, and will be considered to synthesize the security and governance frameworks to attract and facilitate these investments that will create jobs, opportunity, and hope for future Gaza.

This is article 10. Please explain to me how my abbreviation does anything else than remove positive loading and noise.

sunni states

They are not Sunni states. They are states. And both are client states of the USA.

Making the supposedly “fully behind Palestine” leaders of these countries lose face completely by having them backing this plan publicly and then shredding it will lose him a lot of money.

21 days ago, the USA invited Palestine to Doha to negotiate. Then they bombed the Palestinian delegation with fighter jets. The Qatari prime minister said “The Qatar-US security and defence partnership is stronger than ever and continues to grow” the following day.

Your claims that the Palestinians have to kill themselves or leave under this ‘plan’ doesn’t jive with reality.

Article 13 enables the death of all Palestinians at the moment of Israel’s choosing. Israel has shown that their goal is the eradication of Palestinians.

Sir, how dare you imply a religious conflict?!

This is not a religious conflict. You’re being orientalist. The Israeli’s are not religious, they are just racist. When western nations want emancipation, you don’t ascribe illogical motivations to them, you take it for granted that emancipation is worthwhile.

If you think this proposal has any balance, then go through it again but replace Gaza with Ukraine and Trump with Putin and see if you would consider it viable for Ukraine.