If you see around any individual interacting with others through strange antics, displaying weird or troll-like behavior, bot behavior, or similar, either on Lemmygrad or Lemmy, feel free to publish a people’s court case about them if you think they are negatively affecting the Lemmygrad community as a whole.
The usual best way to fight trolls is indifference. So if you think someone is constantly annoying, please block them, and if possible, publicly express your dissatisfaction, so that everyone is aware.
Some trolls like Wisconcom can cause a major disruption in our community, and that’s when we usually step in debating about the issue publicly. You are free to do so in People’s Court as well, it’s the place to collectively solve perceived problems within our community. You are also free to criticize the actions of the administrators,[1] under public scrutiny.
criticize our actions, not our political positions. This would be perhaps more appropriate in Leftist Infighting ↩︎
This reminder post was made after we’d been seeing an account named OyJon Ibrohimov pop up everywhere on Lemmygrad. You’ve probably seen them too, considering they have totalised almost 500 comments in merely 6 days on Lemmy.
We were considering making a court case for them as we weren’t sure how to proceed as the admin team. In our experience, people that behave like that (I’ll explain in a second) tend to be either very young (not the case as they gave us our age on their lemmygrad application), neurodivergent, or trolling.
We were leaning towards trolling but we also don’t want to ban a neurodivergent comrade just for comments.
When I say like that, I mean making comment after comment just to seemingly fill up space. Saying in 50 words what could be said in 10. Talking in a roundabout way, seemingly never reaching a conclusion, etc etc.
In our experience those are trolls, but this user would have to be a very committed troll.
We have to add that we have seen some comments by this user that did give rise to suspicion, and we had to go through their application spam before they were vetted on Lemmy.ml – around 10 accounts or so, copy pasted (written in 4 languages for some reason). This made our trolley senses go on high alert and we rejected all of them. Thing is in one thread they said they didn’t know why they could not log in to their lemmygrad account, but we had not yet rejected some of them. This means the user made a couple applications while theirs were still in vetting. Now I agree the error message is not very clear (it should say “your application is still being considered” but it just says “error: could not log in”), but still, you’d expect that if you can’t login after you filled a questionnaire, it means you’re still being vetted, right?
However it seems they have reduced posting or outright stopped and so we figured we’d let this slide for a bit. But this is temporary and the choice is binary: essentially the decision in front of us is, do we ban this account for trolling, or do we let it be?
Believe it or not we’ve been debating whether to open this thread for several days. So I guess the question is, what’s your impression and what’s your recommandation?
However it seems they have reduced posting or outright stopped and so we figured we’d let this slide for a bit. But this is temporary and the choice is binary: essentially the decision in front of us is, do we ban this account for trolling, or do we let it be?
To me, they just came across as an over-excited person that does not know forum ettiquettes very much. Therefore, I say let them be; but teach them about forum ettiquette (for example, simply making a post with a video link would’ve sufficed rather than spamming video links on replies)
If they still continue this type of behavior after this, then you might consider punishing them in some way.
We don’t want to accidentally make a comrade feel unwelcome.
Quote from the Simple Sabotage Field Manual, a handbook written by the Office of Strategic Services, intelligence agency prior to the current CIA:
General interference with organizations and production
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Organizations and Conferences
- Insist on doing everything through “channels.” Never permit short-cuts to be taken in order to expedite decisions.
- Make “speeches.” Talk as frequently as possible and at great length. Illustrate your “points” by long anecdotes and accounts of personal experiences. Never hesitate to make a few appropriate “patriotic” comments.
- When possible, refer all matters to committees, for “further study and consideration.” Attempt to make the committees as large as possible — never less than five.
- Bring up irrelevant issues as frequently as possible.
- Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes, resolutions.
- Refer back to matters decided upon at the last meeting and attempt to re-open the question of the advisability of that decision.
- Advocate “caution.” Be “reasonable” and urge your fellow-conferees to be “reasonable” and avoid haste which might result in embarrassments or difficulties later on.
- Be worried about the propriety of any decision—raise the question of whether such action as is contemplated lies within the jurisdiction of the group or whether it might conflict with the policy of some higher echelon.
Something to be learned from Wisconcom and similar types
A lot of these sound like things I do, and last I checked Im not a Fed (I sure hope not), but then again I am pretty high on the ND scale, soooo.
Wait, you aren’t a fed? Then who are you? If the rest of us are feds and you’re not-
wait-
that means-
WE HAVE A CODE RED! ACTUAL COMMUNIST DETECTED! WE GOT ONE LADS!
XD XD XD XD XD
I knew I should have never trusted you guys, of course the US state department would want us to support those ebil commies, you guys want to let evil Xinnie the Pooh invade and take away our freedom! You were all in kahoots!
I should have just stayed an enlightened liberallllllllllllll
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No but seriously, what if I have obtained an actual ML education because a bunch of feds accidentally gave it to me! I can’t stop laughing at the thought!
No but seriously, what if I have obtained an actual ML education because a bunch of feds accidentally gave it to me! I can’t stop laughing at the thought!
DAMMIT WE WERE TOO GOOD! GO BACK TO REDDIT OR ELSE WE WILL-
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huh
I don’t actually know what to do, we weren’t prepared for an actual communist to be here!
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SEND US ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION AND TELL US CRIMES YOU DID! SO WE CAN ARREST YOU! HA!
You’ll never take me alive!!!
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hahaha
yep
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Worst case scenarios we allow ourselves to directly DM users and sanction them for things that are not necessarily spelled out in the rules – like we’ve had to for harassing behaviour or ban evasion. Lemmygrad is still small enough that we know pretty much every user so it’s something we can still do for the time being.
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also judging by the things he’s been following us since we left Reddit, through all this time I guess he was lurking and never bothered to join until now?
he’s just like me omgI probably agree with this.
I’ll also add that I was a bit concerned with some of their (not Binkie55) comments that were too close to being pro personal terrorism or violence against named individuals. (I cannot find the examples at the moment to check how close they were.)
I know there is a history of some users being banned from Reddit for saying that slavers deserve what they get, etc. But explicitly suggesting personal acts of terrorism or violence is the kind of thing could get users / site owners caught up in a criminal conspiracy if it becomes the norm or, worse, leads to an offline, physical act.
I don’t want comrades (especially young or vulnerable comrades) to be encouraged to commit personal terrorism or violent acts thinking that ‘we’ / others generally support that kind of thing. We do not.
I think the comments that I am referring to were attempts at edgy humour but we should watch out for it and be cautious.
Please edit your comment to omit those long quotes unrelated to the subject in discussion, otherwise it will be removed. You can create a post somewhere about different analysis of terrorism, but this is uncalled for here.
EDIT: Thanks
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You seem a bit paranoid ngl
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There’s the Freechat for that 😍
Court in USA: slave for porky
Court in Lemmygrad:
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Hello comrades with all respect what happened here and what i did wrong and please can all of you clarify it to me thank you all and to begin let me please clarify some of the things are been said in this court room .
1 - No personal information - they mention their “real name” a few times. Is this because they’re a little odd, or because they’re trying to bait other people into divulging personal information? If no one’s allowed to divulge info like that, it could just be removed.
No i didn’t mentioned any of my information or what so ever or even give my name this name is a pseudonym not my real name to begin with .
2 - We have to add that we have seen some comments by this user that did give rise to suspicion, and we had to go through their application spam before they were vetted on Lemmy.ml – around 10 accounts or so, copy pasted (written in 4 languages for some reason). This made our trolley senses go on high alert and we rejected all of them.
to clarify this one let me answer here
First about the 10 accounts i have made those to see if one of those accounts could enter but none of them did and i deleted them all of them
And Secondly about the " copy pasted " (written in 4 languages for some reason)." Let me explain this one here i know this languages and i do not " copy paste them to begin with let me put them here to clarify them
My first language is Spanish
My second language is English
My third language is Ladino
So the other languages that i learned and keep learning them are this ones here
Chinese
Vietnamese
Arabic
Hebrew
Uzbek
Dari
Punjabi
Uyghur
Azeri / azerbaijani
saraiki
And other more that i cannot speak but can understand write and read them too .
3- comments that were too close to being pro personal terrorism or violence against named individuals. (I cannot find the examples at the moment to check how close they were.)
As i said very earlier in the comradeship freechat in muslim 1917’s post i mentioned about it here is what i said and quote :
" ( and no i am not a terrorist just for being against libs and the u.s.a and The Zionist State for what they are doing to my home country Puerto Rico or any other thing , do i did some jokes about me " committing terrorism" against the libs and the Zionists ? Yes but do you all think i will commit it in real life ? No so why are you all thinking or even thinked that i will commit act of self harm or even terrorism to begin with ) "
and to clarify this one as i said earlier i didn’t mean to say it in a literal way just as a joke and i will never commit self harm or any terrorism against no one just because i said that in a joke it was me referring to the libs and zionists not the day to day innocent people or civilian so if i came a little bit to far with my jokes i din’t mean to offend or even encourage any self harm or even terrorism against no one here neither in real life sorry again for what i said
Did i clarify everything i said here or do i need to add more ? I hope i didn’t come harsh in my wording again I’m sorry for the inconveniences that i caused here again i din’t mean to offend or be mean to anyone else here i just wanted to know what was this all about thanks again comrades for accepting me here i hope i get a good explanation here ( and don’t get me wrong i am not mad or even offended with you all if any of you wants to criticize me go for it but in good faith and without insults and name calling ok )
I realise that I have upset you and I am sorry for that.
I did not call you a terrorist or say that you were promoting self-harm.
To briefly clarify, I said or tried to say:
- You had made edgy jokes about ‘personal acts of terrorism or violence’ (see ‘note’ below).
- These jokes were on the borderline and could be interpreted as encouraging ‘personal acts of terrorism or violence’.
- As a community, we should be careful not to encourage personal acts of terrorism or violence, so we must be careful about jokes on this topic.
Since I wrote my post there has been at least one other joke suggesting that terrorism is acceptable (it is not). This is the kind of thing I alluded to when I said (a) ‘we should watch out for it and be cautious’ and when I spoke about (b) encouraging comrades to support or commit such acts (it should be discouraged). I am going to make a separate post about this subject, as it has come up a few times recently.
Note: By ‘pro personal terrorism or violence against named individuals’, I do not mean ‘self harm’. I am referring to statements that: (i) threaten violence against an identifiable person; (ii) threaten violence within a defined region or area; or (iii) promote terrorism (even if this is not intended).
I agree with all what you are saying here , now let me explain it here . Not at all, comrade I am not upset at all, don’t worry I know I didn’t have to make those jokes and I am really sorry and ashamed for making them I would have to change and try another way to make my jokes and I was also told I had to try to correct my words in the English language and I know that but just so you know I am neither sad nor in a bad mood with you or any other comrade in this great community , i hope all this can be fixed with dialogue and maturity I hope that everything that is going on can be completely resolved .
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