Your brain on PoliticalCumpiss
a liberal understanding of violence has appeared!
ah, yes, us tankies are well-known for claiming that all means justify the end
Depends in how you look at it.
Puritan socialists want a revolution and abolition of the capitalist class but mainly without violence, as all violence is wrong according to them. The use of violence makes your goal immediately immoral.
Tankies, however, do understand that a (possible violent) revolution is necessary and that violence needs to be used to oppress the bourgeoisie into conceding power. We understand that not all violence is immoral.
So yes, by all means necessary is true if you look at it a certain way. But you can ask yourself if that’s wrong.
A violent reaction by the proletariat is a logical answer to the violent ways in which control is forced on them. An oppressed force using violence to free themselves from the oppressor is in no way immoral if you ask me. You don’t ask if you can be free, you demand it. By force and by any means necessary.
To me, “all means necessary” implies that we’d be willing to do all kinds of disgusting shit if it has a slight chance of helping the revolution. Violence is obviously unavoidable, but it’s not like killing or torturing someone whom we suspect to be acting against proletarian interests will be our first choice. We’re not going to go around killing every passive anticommunist we see just because they’re not currently on our side
If you put it that way, I agree with you.
I suppose it depends on how literally the phrase is interpreted
Yeah, this is what i meant in my previous answer to you - they don’t think so. Or rather, they are already accustomed by the liberal media to think of revolutionaries as violent monsters wanting to literally pay eye for an eye for millenia of opression (note - they do know there is a lot to paid for), mostly because the idea of lex talionis is so popular among the conservatives which they are in a nutshell.
Just go watch any video about Che Guevara on the Youtube for an example of that thinking, and how widespread it is on the right and western left (Hakim posted great commentary about this just yesterday).
I watched that video. As usual, almost every part where someone other than Hakim was talking was very painful
Common liberal understanding of the phrase in political context is not what you would think it is.
It’s just plain old “violence”. Notably, violence against the opressors. They are perfectly ok with violence used by the opressors - well they grumble some but, here is the important part, since basically all meaningful change not to mention such fundamental one as revolution are done by the violent means, they will always in fact oppose any meaningful progress - which really means supporting the status quo and the opression.
Also:
That does seem to be the case. That’s a great quote, too. I had a very shallow interpretation of the word “violence” when I was a liberal
LMAOOOO Do all means justify the ends -> No -> Progress
That’s literally the definition of conservatism in which progress is essentially impossible.
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The meme so easily contradicts itself, its hilarious
Anti fascism is when you deride the largest and most successful anti fascist entity in history
There’s other ways to liberate the working class. Just look at the anarchist revolution of… Uhm… Uhhhhhh
Wait how about the Catalonia anarchist revo- oh wait that one didn’t last a decade. wait um uh how about uh…
The usual examples are always:
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Efforts that got crushed by capitalism almost immediately. Paris Commune being the star here.
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Indigenous societies that got crushed by capitalism/colonialism as soon as capitalism found them.
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Microstates and sub-states that are meagre enough in natural resources to be either not worth exploiting, or worth more existing as tax havens, cheap labour sources, or provisioners of other capitalist exploits.
Paris Commune being the star here.
And they always omit that it was basically prototype of the DotP, but it failed precisely because of its utopian tendencies. And how France and Germany, mortal enemies just few weeks before, but both capitalist states, immediately joined hands to crush it.
Indigenous societies that got crushed by capitalism/colonialism as soon as capitalism found them.
Might want to brush up on history
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“B-but the
gloriouswest said it was bad, so as decent people we also consider it bad!” probably
Kaiserreich brain; The Wikipedian ideology of “muh libertarian socialism”
Made up internet stuff
This makes far more sense
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What it’s trying to say is “I have no idea how clean, effective flowchart design works”
