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I feel bad for the actors of little Anakin and Jar Jar and all the shit they had to deal with
Star war neckbeards are the worse type of reactionarys, those people are pathetic. Imagine being an grown ass adult and being so obcessed with an sci fi series…
I grew up loving them and all the additional media they spawned, from games to books to toys. The world-building is quite well done, and without those movies to provide the foundation for that, the galaxy would be all the lesser.
But purely as films, they have a lot of poor writing choices at the plot and character levels that have become more apparent as I’ve grown older. There is a lot to criticize about the execution of the story. The plot of AOTC is just bizarre, but not fully developing Anakin and Obi-Wan’s relationship in TPM and AOTC is perhaps one of the biggest examples of a poor choice. Padmé was sidelined in ROTS; another frustrating choice in hindsight. Now, despite people’s complaints about the politics being boring, I was fascinated by that aspect as a kid, as it was presented easily enough to be understandable for me at the time. The music is fantastic, and the visuals were far ahead of their time.
Revenge of the Sith was the first Star Wars film I was old enough to see in theaters, and it’s one of my dearest childhood memories.
I recomend to you an you tube series called “revenge of the prequels” by anomaly inc, hedives deep into the plot of the prequels and debunk a lot of anti prequel popular opinions, you are probably going to like it.
Not really my cup of tea; I’m already not a fan of I Hate Everything, The Nostalgia Critic, Cosmonaut Variety Hour, and that crowd of “video essayists.”
Better yet, he is debunking those nerds that keep saying the same popular opinion to make views.
Yes, I saw the playlist too. It’s a lot of low-hanging fruit; those he debunks aren’t exactly known for their “great ability” to analyze media, popularity notwithstanding.
It was cool. I liked how it dealt with the downfall of an obviously neoliberal galactic republic, which tied into the civil war of the original trilogy.
The sequels by Disney unfortunately were a massive failure and did not continue the logical sequence of the political themes. The only way it would have made sense politically would be to show the characters struggling against a sci-fi version of neo liberalism.
But the neoliberals running Disney and directing the movies are incapable of imagining anything beyond capitalism in the first place so we got the retelling of episode 4 in 7 and the subsequent dumpster fires that put any potential stories beyond 9 on very bad ground.
I think the RLM reviews have ruined any possibility of me liking them (EDIT: I somehow got an upvote in the first second… someone here has quick fingers)
Go watch the youtube series “revenge of the prequels” by anomaly.inc, he is an prequels enjoyer and he has debunks the vidios made by RLM and a lot of other shitty nerd channels who just make money saying the same shit opinion.
I wouldn’t call the RLM reviews “shitty”, but I’ll check it out
Worse than the OG trilogy, better than the sequels.
Not a fan… But my taste in media is elitist as fuck. Also trekkie if I want to reach back into my brand idealization. Star Trek is going a dark place now.
The overall theme of the first trilogy was that it was a fun children’s adventure story, a cross between a buck rogers sci fi serial, and the comparative mythology of joseph campbell, trying to find these powerful character archetypes that resonate across all cultures .
The prequels move away from those fun, character-driven stories, and focus on a larger political story that ends up as a depressing tragedy.
It tried to use CGI and and quirky characters like jar jar to cover up the awful plotlines and dialogue.
Heroes and villains: Anakin was the main character, and for two movies he was an unlikeable whiny brat who murders children: the target audience of Star wars. Padme is just kinda along for the ride, and doesn’t do anything that memorable.
General grievous, count dooku, and the other minor villains are decent, but only interesting because of surface level things about them… oooh he can hold 4 lightsabers at once, or he trained qui gonn!.
Obi wan and Qui gonn are bright spots, Ewan Macgregor carries the whole thing. He’s the only one you really wanteto spend time with and see on screen. But they killed Obi Wan’s main nemesis, darth maul, in the very first movie, so he spends the rest of the trilogy playing space detective and babysitting anakin.
The political storyline is somewhat interesting, and there’s some critiques of Bush-era imperialism in there ( just as star wars had a critique of the us war on vietnam ), but it becomes the entire focus.
In star wars, every single character, han, luke, leah, and even vader, goes through changes brought on by their trials and grow as people. In the prequels, there is no character development apart from anakin, who becomes more childish, whiny, and unlikeable as the story goes on.
I can 100% say that the prequels mostly suffered from:
a) Being too rushed and having too much stuff cut out
b) Having some of the worst dialogue writing and line delivery possible
Second problem was mostly solved by… insert drum roll Our Russian dub. Because the translators managed to salvage the dialogues and while keeping most of the original sense made them cosmically less cringe AND the dub actors actually managed to fix up the acting issues in terms of line delivery. Anakin instead of sounding like a little spoiled brat manages to deliver some MENACING SITH VIBES.
You wouldn’t believe how much it helps to sell that the guy is not just a whiny child, but an actual evil motherfucker who turned dark.
So yeah. With proper acting, better writing and more screen time it had potential to be good without the need to drastically alter what we’ve got in the end, I’d say.
I love the idea of translators fixing the dialogue because they hated him sounding too whiny lol.
Pretty bad comment, you have activated my nerd brain with your cringe opinion, prepare to have your comment dissected;
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The original trilogy was not just an fun movie trilogy at all lol, it critisized imperialism, fascism, mass destruction weapons, haved an considerably lot of politics (the first conversation between Leia and Vader is about her telling him he cant just attack an diplomatic ship) the main characters are literally revoluctionarys fighting against an fascist empire, on episode 6 its basically vietcongs vs western imperialists, and i think that the battle of Hoth might have been based on battles on the USSR during WW2. And there would probably have had much more politics on the first movies if they where made on the USSR, Lucas even sayed one time on an interview that the soviet cinematic industry haved a lot more freedom. And what diversity on the OG trilogy, almost every human character are white americans, there is not even a lot of aliens on the main roles, they are mostly just background characters with no lines. The prequels mainly fixed all of that, compared the cast of the OG with the prequels, more aliens and more different people.
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Whats bad with a more well written, serious storyline? It connected with the original trilogy very well, and it enhanced it. And it did not use CGI and quircky characters to cover itself, the effects where the best of the time, the CGI was revoluctionary, lucas film basically pionereed the CGI technology, and most of the effects of the film where not pure CGI, but haved IRL models too. And Jar Jar appeared for literally one chapter as an side kick character, he did not even have a lot of screen time. And he was important to the plot. And i dont see people shitting on C3PO as they do with Jar Jar, when they haved basically the same role, and C3PO haved 3 times more screentime.
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Anakin is the best character in the entire series, he starts as an slave that was born as an miracle, went to become an jedi with the hopes of coming back to his mother, the only person who did see potential on him besides his mom (Qui-gon) died days after meeting him, and he was forced to grow up with people who did not like him nor respect him, a bunch of child abducting monks that think that having emotions is bad. Of course he would grow up as an disturbed person with basically zero social interaction knowledge, thats why his conversations with padme are weird, he does not know what he should say to a woman, she goes along with it because she also is socially inept on this area, the child killing thing is supposed to be shocking and bad, the tuskan raiders was right after his mom died on his arms, he destroyed the village on rage because they tortured and killed her, he did not care about nobody at that moment, he haved all the reasons to be mad. The second time with the younglings is more complicated, he did not want to kill him, he even thought on sparing them, but he did know that Palpatine would do who knows what with them, so he thought it was better to kill them. It sounds extremelly fucked, and it is, and anakin was fucked at that moment, his entire life was literally being destroyed around him and he was the one who helped it being destroyed. It should be pointed out he did not become full sith them, it was when he killed the separatist leaders that his eyes becomed yellow, because he enjoyed killing them. And Padme is one of the most important characters there, she is the lover of Anakin, she was one of the main senators fighting against the capitalists trying to destroy her planet, she helped to end the racial difference between gungans and humans on her planet, she was anti war during the clone wars, she was the mother of Luke and Leia, she was the entire reason anakin whent to the dark side.
4.Grievous is good at his role, beimg the last big separatist leader alive after dooku died, he is the big general, when he dies the war ends, that was his small role in the movies. He has a lot more character outside the movies, but we are talking about the films. Dooku on the other hand has a lot more character, he revolted against the hypocrisy of the jedis, he did have some good intentions, but he was mainly puppeted (and discarded) by palpatine, he is good at his job as being the one substitued by anakin, and like grievous, he is more developed outside of the movies.
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Indeed Obi wan and Qui gon are the best character. Maul haved one job and he did it well, killing qui gon, being killed by obi wan and substitued by Dookan, he was never supposed to stay, and he was never supposed to be Obi wan main rival. And obi did his the job he was supposed to do, take care of anakin, and when he did not, he discovered an entire army, and started the war by accident, by being captured.
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The entire thing of the og trilogy was an rebellion fighting an fascist imperialist goverment, please stop with this “muh politics” thing, you are an ML for fuck sake, and there is less of 10 minutes of mainly political scenes on the prequels, literally nothing, and there is a lot more action scenes then the originals.
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Bruh there is an span of more then 10 years between the the 1 and the 3 movie, how cant you see the progress of it? Its literally there! And it continues on the og series, if you think that TPM anakin is the same as TROTS anakin, you did not watch the movie well enough.
Sorry for the massive rant, i just am really sad to be the only one here with an actually critical view of the trilogy, i just think most things you said where just lazy an regurgitated from channels ruled by neckbearded manchldren angry that the sci fi series from half a century ago are not the exactly same as the prequels of it. Also the prequels are more famous on Russia and China.
To each their own of course but:
Anakin is the best character in the entire series
You’re entitled to your wrong opinion. I would rather watch paint dry for 2 hours, than an annoying, angsty, whiny alt-right teen ( openly expressing fascist sympathies ), who ends up becoming a mass murderer and a woman-killer. There are some redeemable things about the prequels, but the unlikeable main character of the prequels isn’t one of them.
I agree with you on everything, the prequel trilogy is superior, it has more depth and it is literally a tragedy (Oedipus Rex) but with its own universe, except on Jar Jar. C3PO is fun and its jokes are good, Jar Jar is just lame comic relief, and as you pointed out if C3PO already accomplished that role, why add a second character who does the same.
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General grievous, count dooku, and the other minor villains are decent, but only interesting because of surface level things about them… oooh he can hold 4 lightsabers at once, or he trained qui gonn!.
Count Dooku is actually one of the more interesting villains in the entire SW. Or at least would be if they focused on his original ideas instead of the classical “i met a suspicious figure in cloak, and wololo i’m now on the dark side” which is so depressingly common in SW.
I haven’t watched Star Wars: The Clone Wars, but in there and in some comic/books it is explained that Count Dooku actually never was a Sith, he simply grew apart from the Jedi Order because of the decisions they were taking, basically becoming a Shogunate in the Republic, which ended up being one of the cornerstones for the fall of it in the hands of the Empire. He allied with the Sith in order to transform the Jedi but it backfired him.
Yes, basically at some point just wololo as usual
good, like the storyline. the memes are also great
I love the prequels.
The prequels are the only Star Wars trilogy with sophisticated story and characters. Both the original trilogy and the sequel trash are shallow “good guys puch bad guys” movies. The prequels involve a greedy politician starting a fake war to grab more power for himself, with a corrupt jedi order unable to stop him. It’s elaborate, sophisticated and fun.
It’s funny how in todays world real life immitates art.
It’s thematically good, and they’re fun to watch, even with acting problems and special effects that are dated today, the bad thing is the negative reaction from the fandom it had and the actors who suffered with the public.
This can be said too about the original trilogy, and most films before the 2000s, the special effects back then where very primitive, and the acting was mostly amateur, because it was not everyone who could hire professional actors. The diference between the original and the prequels is that it was suposed to be that way, the acting was supposed to represent the characters, and the special effects of the prequels where amazing for its time, specially the AotC and TRotS. Most 3D special effects the industry today was pionered by the prequels, they invested hard on the most advanced tech of the time, and honestly it looks much more alive then most big bucks disney films nowadays.
Personally i think its the best trilogy, sorry if i sounded i little to heated up there.
No problem, you didn’t appear hated, and you’re right, the special effects were revolutionary and underpin a lot of the CGI techniques that are used today.
Grew up with it, so I cannot objectively comment on its quality. I never got into the OT so much, it seemed so much less exciting as a kid. But I do respect George Lucas for sticking to an artistic vision rather than trying to conform to fit the audience of the time.
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I mean, thats why its a double trilogy, all of the 6 movies make each other better.
