So let’s say I wanted to become a painter in the USSR how would I achieve that. I know that you could go to school for say engineering and then get assigned a job when you got out of school so did it work the same way for artistic endeavors? Or would you first get assigned a job and then in your free time pursue the artistic endeavor. Basically, were you an artist first, or where you say a steelworker who was an artist second until you got enough of a base to pursue being an artist full time?

  • Soviet Snake
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    I mean, if you want to be a professional musician and such, you would had to have studied at a university, otherwise you could have played on your house and hope for the best, as it was the typical course of action in every country in the world at that time, with popular music.

    If you look for a bit of information, there were ton of artists and organizations that supported artists during the USSR, what comes first to my mind is Andrei Tarkovsky, who is considered as one of the best and most renowned film directors in the world, I don’t know that much about classical music or Russian music in general so I couldn’t speak about that but a quick search dropped some results:

    • @hkto
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      12 years ago

      Got a link? This comrade is failing at google :/

  • @PolandIsAStateOfMind
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    92 years ago

    If you had talent as a child/youth you could get to a musical high school/academy (depend on availibity and geography ofc). Otherwise you would have to go ameteur first, but in socialist coutry it was way easier going to professional (because of the mass support that culture got on every level of administration) and the “showbusiness” was way less corrupted than in capitalist coutries so money meant much less and actual talent much more.

  • @KiwiProle
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    62 years ago

    A lot of workplaces had amateur artisitic development programmes attached. Some had acting troupes or music groups, you could develop through that and then go on to professionalism either with the whole group or by joing an established institution

    • @freagle
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      112 years ago

      Terrible take. I hope you challenge yourself to change this perspective soon. This is literally what lib CEOs in the states believe. Don’t be like them.

      Art is socially necessary.

      • @lxvi
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        12 years ago

        Identity and reflection are important for civilization. I would think there would be a lot of support for the arts and the development of culture.

    • Soviet Snake
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      62 years ago

      The distinction between artist and worker is not real, honestly, it began during the Renaissance, since at the times most workers were artisans, including painters, pottery makers, sculptors, musicians, and so on. Actually, if you read the etymology of both artisans and artists they share the same origin, basically an artist started to be differentiated from an artisan from its tighter role with the higher classes, this then took the modern meaning where an artist is basically an individual who is transformed into a bourgeois to create art; but at the time the distinction was non existent, since every worker produced unique items with particular designs.

      artisan (n.)

      1530s, “one skilled in any mechanical art, craftsman,” from Italian artigiano, from Vulgar Latin *artitianus, from Latin artitus “skilled,” past participle of artire “to instruct in the arts,” from ars (genitive artis) “art” (see art (n.)). Barnhart reports French artisan, often given as the direct source of the English word, is attested too late to be so.

      artist (n.)

      1580s, “one who cultivates one of the fine arts,” from French artiste (14c.), from Italian artista, from Medieval Latin artista, from Latin ars (see art (n.)).

      Originally especially of the arts presided over by the Muses (history, poetry, comedy, tragedy, music, dancing, astronomy), but also used 17c. for “one skilled in any art or craft” (including professors, surgeons, craftsmen, cooks). Since mid-18c. especially of “one who practices the arts of design or visual arts.”

      • @lxvi
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        12 years ago

        Labor in the social sense should be understood as anything that expands or reproduces social wealth. This would include material utility but also maintenance and development of the superstructure.

        Basic needs have to be met, but after that the labor of artists, authors, and thinkers are at least as important as production of luxury goods. The superstructure is the greater language in which we place ourselves and others.

      • Soviet Snake
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        22 years ago

        This community is hosted on Lemmygrad, not Lemmy, so that might be a reason, but I agree with you, maybe the mod thought you were a troll.

      • immoral_hedge
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        Just read the modlog and it was no reason listed. I dont agree with your statement but honestly i have no idea why it was removed. It was an opinion that was not ‘edgy’ in any way, imo a decent base for a discussion.