• Shrike502
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    9 months ago

    You know how people talk about “deep state” and it’s either a tinfoil about Jews, or disregarded as rightoid paranoia?

    Well, here it is. The true “deep state”.

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      It’s honestly hilarious because this shit is right in the open, and no one wants to talk about it.

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        Lenin has written about this kinda stuff more than hundred years ago. It has been obvious to communists but the capitalist media turn a predictable blind eye to this.

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      Reminds me of how Obama’s cabinet was like 80% former citibank execs.

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        But remember - corruption is what them asiatics do. The state-dep told me so!

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          I believe everything the state department says, but I oppose the deep state.

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      I actually have seen and heard American right-wingers mention the Black Rock deepstate, but they twist it to mean that they’re pushing the woke agenda onto everything

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        Not unexpected. Their ideology prevents them from understanding class struggle. And capitalist owned media (which is near damn all media) purposefully amplifiers these voices, so that we point out the existence of such international capital and how deep it all runs - we are branded as being the same as Qanon, Pizzagate, et al

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    9 months ago

    The shadow government isn’t that shadowy really. The truth is a quick wikipedia article away.

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    Why bother lobbying people when you can just insert yourself directly into government? Market efficiency baby

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    I’m surprised actually, why aren’t they ancient? Is it because they need new blood to introduce new ideas that old folks wouldn’t be as quick to adopt?

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      The reason US politicians are ancient is because they’re just there to provide a veneer of democracy for the hoi polloi. They’re just figureheads who don’t make any actual decisions.

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        Genuine question, how does them being old make it seem more democratic? Wouldn’t it look better if the politicians were a similar age to the voters? I’m not saying you’re wrong I’m just a bit confused

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          Oh it doesn’t, but I don’t think it matters because you don’t get genuine options. They just give you a set of canned option to vote for, and that’s all you get. As Marx put it: “The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them.”

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            I agree, I’m just surprised that for their own sake that they don’t choose younger people to seem more representative of the US population

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              I don’t think it is the sole reason but they ARE representative of the voting US population. The 65+ demographic has the highest voter turnout within their age group.

              In my country, voting is almost entirely the domain of the elderly. I can count on one hand the number of people in my age range I know that actually go out and vote.

              I think there is also some portion of belief that “this person has a lot of experience so must be better suited for the job”.

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                “The 65+ demographic has the highest voter turnout within their age group.“ Ahhhh, that makes a lot more sense now. Thanks, I didn’t put 2 and 2 together, but that seems a lot more obvious now that you mentioned it

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          I guess it is because they need to have a long career in politics to appear experienced. Well, they really do need to have experience to ratfuck everyone else and to build connections because particular politicians are a tools to ruling class and it don’t really care who is the one doing its bidding, so politicians do need to compete among themselves. Also the more ossified bureocracy is, the more ancient cadavers are getting propped by the vitrue of having more accumulated ties inside the bureocracy than the younger ones, that’s why US has Biden now and that’s why catholics had most of their popes.

          Also name is a brand. People, especially content liberals and conservatives, are more likely to vote on someone they always heard than someone new.

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            That’s very true actually, a lot easier to have a political dynasty that changes nothing if you have an older experienced politician giving cred to the rest of the family. For example we wouldn’t have FDR if not for Teddy Roosevelt, we wouldn’t have had Hillary running if Bill didn’t win in the 90s, etc.

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          Yeah, I also don’t really understand what the OP is getting at with the age thing in the title. If anything, it would seem like the actual rulers (pictured) should be more likely to be ancient vampires than the the politicians chosen for the facade of democracy.

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            Exactly! Like reality doesn’t fall into my own preconceived notions obviously, but in this particular instance I’m very confused

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          In theory: these capitalist types are allowed “proper” hereditary system. Scions taking over after the elders decide they want to chill. Meanwhile, the politicians are just tools. And if you have an old hammer that does the job, why would you waste money on a new one? One that may not be exactly to your preferences too. When the tool is completely broken, then you toss it away and grab a new one.

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    Well, to be fair, it was always run by the interest of the capital, that is the nature of the system itself, the role of the state is to protect private property after all, the shocking thing is the brazen way they are doing it lately, usually the system likes to hide this shit and pretend that democracy means something in capitalism, but now this is as explicit as it comes.

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    edit: I’ve come to understand that I am not wise enough to engage here. I’m sorry for wasting everyone’s time. thank you for your patients.

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      The first part about how a few investment firms own pretty much everything is on point but it gets weird towards the second part. The author uses 1984 imagery and equates the control that “megacorp” (as he calls it) has over the media to “Marx’s utopia” where the means of communication are centralized in the hand of the state. Also, the author seems to be some kind of stock guy. Their investigation was prompted by the whole Gamestock thingy and, although I stopped reading at section 5.0.3, it seems like their argument is building up towards something along the lines of “muh big corporations are controlling the market so that I can’t make any money off of it”. In summary, a decent investigation into the ownership structure of the modern economy with a severely misguided conclusion on why this is a problem.

      Edit: Alright I looked into this a little more since I was really bored and the author goes full horseshoe theory by claiming “Both Communism and Fascism have their roots in Socialism” and Rockefeller gained from the " Communism Economic Design Model" wtf even is this? Also, the account that posted this only has two comments on lemmy both linking to this website, seems like it’s just spam tbh. Please don’t upvote this.

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        To my understanding, part five is a trip down memory lane. That is, it covers a bunch of information on Rockerfeller, The Standard Oil Company, and other industrial giants.

        edit: removed misguided dribble

        edit: Aw, picking on the new guy? 🙁 Alright, I guess I can go back to just watching. I admit this has been on my mind a lot. I don’t really want to talk about anything else. I haven’t been able to find anything else that refutes the claims. I’m kind of shook. There’s lots of historical documents sourced. I guess we could argue that the historical documents are wrong?

        I don’t know. I guess I believe that it’s not so far fetched that a few of the humans before us were smart enough to know and understand how to gain control of the majority of shares of lots of major supply chain companies. Hell, isn’t JP Morgan still around making decisions with the private banks that print all the money for the US, The Federal Reserve? (Haha! A tie back to the original topic of the thread… kind of.)

        It’s not like I can go around in public saying “hey, did you hear that a bunch of investment firms in the US all own majority shares of every major brand, infrastructure company, and each other?”

        They’d put me away… 🤡

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          I’m not disagreeing that the entire economy is owned by a small circle of corporations/individuals. The sources provided for this are probably accurate as well although I haven’t bothered double checking. We know this is true. In fact, Marx predicted it over a decade ago. But this article comes to the wrong conclusions on why this is a problem because the author has petty bourgeois aspirations and is butthurt about the fact that they can’t profit off the stock market themselves because it is run by the bourgeoisie. On top of that it equates socialism to fascism which is so fucking stupid I’m not even gonna go into that. Anyone active on Lemmygrad should know this is false and refrain from spreading anything espousing such ideas. It feels like you have no idea what beliefs this community holds which is ok, but if you find yourself agreeing with any of the opinions you find here I’d suggest you look into Marxism. I believe it will give you a lot more insight into why the economy is structured the way it is than this “investigation” ever will. It’s not that a few smart people figured out how to take control of the companies that run the economy. This is an inevitable consequence of capitalism and as long as this disgusting socioeconomic system is allowed to persist nothing will change about the fact that the world is run by a very small group of people who line their pockets.

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            edit: removed misguided dribble

            I guess my take away from that part was the author trying to explain what people at the time thought and was trying to give us context. A historical lens. Not that the author believed it.

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              Yes, the author states “Both Communism and Fascism have their roots in Socialism” and this does not seem to be referring to any contemporary ideas but rather the authors opinion. On top of that, the author claims to support this statement later in the text but I couldn’t find any elaboration on why this would be the case. Now I suggest you either engage with the point I am making about capitalism instead of copy and pasting paragraphs of text in the hope of spreading this bs or just go somewhere else with it. Pretty sure mods will remove this anyhow.

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                I think I might not be wise enough to engage here. I’m sorry for wasting your time.

                I think we agree about the inevitable consequence of capitalism. To me the text also suggested that capitalism is a disgusting socioeconomic system. I’m confused because it sounds like we’re saying the same thing.

                I’m also not saying I agree with everything the author says. Some people have very strange and sometimes dangerous takes.

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                  I apologize for misinterpreting what you were trying to say, it seemed to me that you were agreeing with everything the author said, which was wrong.

                  While the author is right about the ownership structure of the economy I think that the whole article comes to very wrong conclusions. Also some background info that may be of interest. The author is some guy that posts on r/superstonks which makes me believe that he is very much a proponent of capitalism, although I can understand that it may not seem so by just reading what is on the website. Admittedly, it also took me a good portion of the text to get suspicious. A few things that gave it away were:

                  1. Them admitting that an investigation into GameStop started their investigation

                  2. The repeated references to Orwell’s “1984” which is basically CIA-funded anticommunist propaganda

                  3. The assertion that a few people controlling the means of communications was the same as what Marx advocates for in the communist manifesto, so basically equating the problems of capitalism with communism

                  Though I haven’t read the entirety of the article I feel like the author is criticizing capitalism from a rightist point of view, basically arguing that there isn’t really a free market because it’s all controlled by a few individuals. This seems especially plausible when you take into consideration that they are trying to make money off of stocks but feel like they are being scammed by the big players in the market who play both sides. This is basically the whole thing Wall Street Bets was complaining about with the shorting going on against GME. It is primarily for this reason that I believe this investigation is severely misguided and we should refrain from spreading such stuff. I thought you were agreeing with this. While there is a valid point to be made in a lot of instances to “take the good and leave the bad” I don’t think it applies here due to the blatant anti-communism and the availability of much more thorough and in depth analysis of these issues. I believe Marx’s “Das Kapital” is a good resource on this, especially the concept of centralization of capital, although I will also admit that I do not fully understand this concept as I haven’t found the time to thoroughly study it yet. Furthermore, the author just randomly brings up vaccines at some point and also talks about the Rothschilds which is very sus when arguing that a small elite of people control the world economy. The whole thing kind of smells like some conspiracy theorist doing some actually decent research (as in the part about Investment firms owning everything) to then spin it in a direction that completely contradicts the evidence he presented, namely that we have to fight these evil guys owning everything so they can’t run the stock market anymore and the small man can also make a profit on stocks.

                  Edit: Also I apologize for the condescending tone I used towards you, I thought you were one of this stock guys trying to spread their stuff here, sorry 😅

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      Admitting you don’t know something is the first step to learning something new. Nothing wrong with that. Good on you for admitting you were out of your depth on this one.

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    Black Rock also unfortunately invests in China, so I caution against… I don’t know what for once.

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      Blackrock invests primarily in the private sector, things like evergrande, the property speculation market, and the luxury brand sector, it’s one of reasons why China isn’t bailing out property companies like Evergrande, since BlackRock has deep investment in these speculator companies. The hope is that these companies will declare bankruptcy so that the Chinese government can nationalise them for greater public use, another fault I hope china corrects soon.

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        Why would them being nationalized be a fault?

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          I think what was meant is China allowing a foreign investment corp such as Blackrock to become involved in housing speculation in the first place.

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          I was meaning the speculator market companies which grew far too large during china’s development, and had the attention of predatory western investment companies which wanted to strengthen these companies. A fault to china’s goal to prosperity as these companies which were largely ignored, and allowed to fester into the tumors which blight china’s economy, a fault which needs correction. Something which china’s doing by nationalising them after they fail.