cracking down on the right-wing. seriously. the vast majority of US mass shootings that i can remember are done by violent white supremacists and fascists. the right is dangerous and will always use extreme and horrific violence to achieve their ways. so the leftist answer would be to suppress the activities and organizing of fascists heavily.

The issue is mass shootings have become a part of American culture. Americans not only like killing brown people in other countries, but also themselves. I’m obviously overgeneralizing but it does hold true to at least some degree. The only real solution is a mass reeducation of Americans and that can only happen once the US itself is thrown into the dustbin of history.

• Invest more in mental health programs, including efforts to destigmatize therapy.
• Teach critical thinking skills in school to give younger generations the tools to be more likely to find an alternative to violence.
• Encourage more in-person social events and public spaces. It’s too easy to dehumanize these days.

There should be a distinction drawn between how the proletariat should be armed and how right-wingers want to be armed. The right in America uses guns as toys and an intimidation tactic against the poor. They’re armed out of hatred and only care about their own guns, or perhaps that white people stay armed. American gun ownership, especially the 2A people, is an artifact from frontier justice, from slave catchers, lynching, all of that. It’s disorganized, individualized, and fully absorbed within the capitalist framework.

The proletariat being armed implies for a purpose other than standard American gun ownership. We want liberation, we want to fight racism. So in that sense, gun ownership should be organized. Who commits mass shootings? Mostly disaffected white people who purchase a gun when they shouldn’t have them.

I’d actually like to point to Switzerland’s model of gun ownership. I know they’re capitalist and imperialist and everything, but the gun ownership model is still interesting to me. You have to be involved in a militia there to have a gun. Guns and ammo belong to depots, so they’re communally owned. You have to do regular training and drills to have access as well. So to have a gun you have to be part of something, you need training on how to use it, you need to be focused on using it for a specific purpose.

That’s how the proletariat should be armed, in an organized way. We shouldn’t be scared of restricting gun ownership based on purpose. They’re not toys and shouldn’t be bought and sold like toys. American gun culture is severely broken and downright frightening. It doesn’t represent an armed working class at all. It’s a disorganized mass, it’s the working class pointing guns at themselves. Combined with a lack of social purpose it’s like you said, a recipe for mass shootings.

Red flag laws for extreme behavior (domestic abusers, those making active, credible, and targeted threats against themselves or others), allowing psychiatrists or psychologists to place holds on a persons ability to own guns, cracking down on straw purchases especially for known “under the table” gun distributors.

Mandating that firearms be purchased with either a gun safe or trigger lock as to prevent accidental discharge and to keep them out of the hands of children.

Mandating first time gun owners take a short class in proper gun storage, handling, cleaning, and safety.

All of these things can be reasonably done without disarming the proletariat and they would reduce the gun death statistic SIGNIFICANTLY. The disarming of the suicidal or those in psychological distress along with domestic abusers would cut the amount of guns deaths by nearly 2/3rds.

Community ownership of weapons. If you want to do a mass shooting or whatever, you have to convince your local community.

Specific details discussed later

Good ideas all over the thread and I don’t have much to add to the specific discussion, but I just want to make a tangential point.

Gun control has been historically applied selectively to, for example, BPP members. But in the case of a revolution in which the majority of proletarians don’t have guns, y’all are lucky that there are these big gun and ammo depots lying around called “gun nut homes,” and the revolutionaries can send him to the spawn point and steal his house in Minecraft.

Turns out that a comical amount of guns does not make one bulletproof themselves.

I don’t think the killing in US will ever stop so long as capitalism remains in charge. Most of these comments, while mostly correct, and discussing the symptoms that are causing the mass shootings while the underlying cause of those symptoms is being ignored. Fascist propaganda, white supremacy, mental health, etc? All these things stem from the same general source. They are all a product of rampant capitalism. Especially the mental health. We either don’t treat it at all or give people “antidepressants” that have been linked to erratic and violent behavior. All the stresses, social isolations, poverty, etc. that cause kids and adults alike to just go shoot up schools and shit. It’s all a product of capitalism driving the labor class insane. It’s meant to. To keep us killing each other and not the capitalists.

Sure, you could enact laws against propaganda, better background checks, all that, but those things will never pass in the US’s hyper capitalist government. In theory they could work but in order for them to be put into practice you have to actually do something about capitalism. And if you end capitalism you get rid of a lot of the factors that cause the shootings in the first place.

Realistically? Nothing.

How did the Soviets approach the problem of unrest in the youth? Its by helping the youth build communal bonds among themselves, their community, their motherland, and their party that helped extinguish the anarchy left over from the Civil War alongside guaranteeing stability of home through the economic rights their parents had. It means educating socialist values while building a socialist material world to grow in.

For adults that still retain mindsets of the old world, I would imagine it’d be best to use Axont’s proposal of the Swiss system with modifications for local conditions. Different types of communal depots or arsenals organized by either local enthusiasts, historical collectors, hunters, or outright gun nuts with full state supervision and with the possibility of financial support or other beneficial options as a proverbial carrot to encourage compliance. There’s of course considerations at play for urban and rural people as well. I suppose the goal is to make it so that the huge gun hogs that just want to demo-ranch style shit can do so in a safe environment and sort them out from the outright insurrectionist-brained gun hogs.

I think there are good replies in the thread.

Per OECD for 2021, the majority of suicides in the US are by men at 23.000 per capita. The national average is 14.100 per capita and for women it’s reported to be 5.700 per capita.

The following isn’t sourced, my understanding is that women in aggregate have more suicide attempts. Men often use guns, if the sickness that affects the people who commit suicide and those who commit mass shootings is similar, I don’t think it’s far-fetched to say a solution to the poor mental health of men would benefit women quite a lot as well. I understand that it is a part of the culture in the US, despite that I think the knock-on effects of treating a large proportion of the population of individuals who have a higher chance of being involved with death through the use of a gun would perhaps decrease a ton of gun related harm.

What could be done for mental health? I think women’s rights need to be protected first, which may be unintuitive for some. As that would generally reduce tension. I’m not a woman, I have read sentiments from the US where women stated they were very cautious with becoming romantically involved with men as there is a higher risk getting pregnant if you are sexually active and there would be no recourse for them if they decided they did not want the baby. Being on edge like that is not conducive towards an open and health environment for all involved I think.

The reason why I don’t think enacting too many restrictive laws (say banning all handguns or something which would be negatively viewed across the political aisle), some of which disproportionally affect men would work, is it doesn’t seem as though it would positively affect men’s mental health.

Maybe one might argue that operating in men’s interests has been the standard operating procedure, why would it work now? As well, why does it make sense to aid them when they have historically had certain advantages?

Unfortunately for that argument, though I am sympathetic as I believe the opposite can be very invalidating for those who suffer, is not necessarily productive. I really think, like most issues, it needs to be treated from the perspective of the individuals interests guided towards a common interest. Of course if it’s only done for their benefit to the detriment of any other group it wouldn’t really work. That said, in any area where there’s change there are contradictions. Solving those contradictions unfortunately involves some give and take, the outcomes might be known but the path certainly isn’t. The uncertainty is definitely enough to dissuade anyone from acting, and the dialectical response is to pursue nonetheless.

NOTE Per capita means in every 100 000 persons

Maoist china had almost everyone with guns and i don’t think school shootings happened

We need accountability beyond those who pull the trigger, and for people to accept that Rights requires responsibility, those not willing to bear those responsibilities do not get to exercise those rights.

In order to operate a firearm you would need to join a WELL REGULATED militia, if the arms master of that militia see you fit to operate a firearm than they can provide one with no restrictions. No private sales of guns are allowed but militas can purchase a tank if they have the means.

From what perspective? Am I the president with a compliant legislature or am I just me as I am now?

Give criminals a way out of crime