This shit is so annoying, even the “communist” subs are filled with ultras and liberals. They’re all so chronically online and just obnoxious
I’m getting more involved with FRSO shit anyways, so I’ll have less time to spend on there. Never was useful anyways.
Fuck these idiots
Use it as a tool only. Hobbies, DIY and the like. It’s no good for real discussion. They have an Atlantic Council member on their board. It’s not a real place, just hordes of automatons with false consciousnesses. You might aswell walk into a stadium of rival sports fans and start arguing with them about how their club sucks. You’re just going to annoy yourself.
I tried using it only as a tool for hobbies, but anti-communism infects damn near everything. Couldn’t go a week without some dumbass take about China randomly worming its way into just about anything. Glad I quit.
Exactly bro tell me why I am on a shitposting subreddit and getting “XI JINPING AFTER KILLING 100 THOUSAND BABIES” and it’s a picture of Walter white or something like dude I’m just trying to laugh not be inundated with dumbass westoid propaganda
For me it’s wargaming subs. A little easier to understand, but still a nuisance.
I still have mine for following sports and some games stuff but yeah it’s impossible to escape. Guess it’s by design
I notice the shit everywhere. From kids and family shows to churches, social media, and education, regardless of state. They really do introduce it and hammer it in from the earliest opportunity.
I know it’s just the internet but it’s really disturbing how many people automatically think this way without even stopping to think about whether any of it is true, they just state it like it’s already accepted fact.
Sadly not just the internet. I meet a lot of people who are too quick to believe anything bad they hear about “enemy” countries, no matter how absurd.
And they don’t even stop to think about how bad it is here, just that it’s not like [insert anticommunist propaganda of any AES country here]
Agreed. I’ve seen so many people here get 80% to a meaningful conclusion explaining why our country is the way it is, but they always refuse to finish the logic. Instead, they jump to some racist theory that a foreign power has corrupted the US, and therefore whatever element they disagree with is un-American sedition. Conservatives insist it’s Muslim or Chinese infiltration. Liberal progressives think it’s Russians. Nobody wants to admit it’s just all our insanity coming to a head.
The greatest irony is that they’ll admit the government lies, big lies are told all the time, and we get tricked all the time. But introduce the concept that they lie about socialist countries, point out the consistency and pervasiveness of the lies, and that the US has everything to gain from lying, and they’ll call that a conspiracy theory. Even if you produce evidence, like CIA admissions to lying. I feel like I’m insane half the time.
Agree, I mostly use it for Linux stuff at this point, the Linux subs on reddit are somehow significantly better than the ones on Lemmy lol (helps that it has actual developers and people who know what they’re talking about)
I thought you were going to delete the whole website, you got me excited
Hahahaha I wish I had the tech knowledge to do that 💀 “I’m deleting reddit. Gone 🗿”
yea every redditor should not exist
Deleted my old account and made a new one with the rule of not joining any remotely political or country related sub. It’s a good enough side for hobby subs which is why I went to Reddit in the first place. Much better experience.
Deleting it is fine too of course.
Even the hobbyist subs will find a way to sneak in some “china bad”, but it is at least greatly reduced most of the time. Definitely avoid any of the bigger umbrella communities (i.e don’t join general gaming subs, join specific game subs. Same for most media)
I found the best strategy for reddit right now (besides not using it) is to go for tiny, less obvious subs where the average post has at most a double digit upvote count and a handful of comments. Anything bigger gets dangerous since it may get ranked higher in r/all
Same, I bookmark tabs and avoid going to the front page at all costs.
I left during the mass exodus, I miss very little. I recommend anyone divest themselves.
There were a couple small niche subs (like some of the hospitality subs I participated in or the dyson sphere program sub) I miss, but not enough to wade through the cesspool. There is about a 60% chance that any thread on that site, regardless of the original subject matter, will devolve to “Russia bad” or “China bad”. Sprinkling of “Kim bad” if they find a way to discuss world leaders.
The_Leftorium was my favorite sub, half-dunks half-history, and legit broke down theory faster using arcane Simpsons memes than any ELI5 you could create. All of the mods got banned by Reddit, and the only one to survive the purge is the most milquetoast lib that yesterday he started deleting critical comments about Biden on a post that said nothing but TRUMP IS THE WORST PRESIDENT. Cesspool status confirmed.
same. i miss a couple subs, but i can get much of the same content on other social media sites, and there’s no point to being part of two or three websites i hate when one will do just fine.
I’m currently on my 2nd temp ban from Reddit for supporting Palestine lol
I’m on my 6th accouft perm-banned for death threats/ban evasion/hate speech for… not sure what exactly lmao on
/worldnews on 7 October, coincidentallyHonestly, I don’t give a shit about my Reddit account anymore. Like Twitter I’m just kind of seeing how long I last before the inevitable permaban
Being banned from /r/worldnews should be required for any ex-redditors joining lemmygrad. I think I got banned at least a couple times there, for the most innoucous shit.
Ive seen the term alot but i still dont know what ultras are
Ultra = a communist who rejects materialism and maintains liberal idealism when understanding socialism and communism.
They fetishize defeat which is why the perfect communist revolutions are those that failed and the perfect revolutionaries are those who refused to compromise liberal moralism, while communists who lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty and rolled back empires have dirty hands because they didn’t tie them behind their backs.
That’s such a succinct definition. Reminds me of the left-wing version of libertarians who constantly say “well, that’s not real capitalism.”
So trots?
Many ultras are trots, yes. I think of trots as those well educated elitist fauxcialists who believe the revolution belongs to the intellectuals rather than the people.
But you get many flavors of ultras. The common denominator is that whatever works isn’t pure enough and so must be fought even harder than the oppressor.
“The revolution in X was betrayed, even though they made things a lot better the moral stain of actually existing makes them worse than the empire.”
Anarchist mainly. This here are great works from Lenin and Plechanov, which explain it well:
I used to help with the 101 commie subreddits until one of the powermods banned me from all of them (yes one user was a mod of several subs).
I never posted anything particularly sectarian because I honestly didn’t have the energy to go beyond questions with unambiguous answers.
I’m pretty sure the thing I got banned for was saying that I don’t care if we call it socialism or communism; that both terms are quite old, so they can technically have definitions inconsistent with Marxism.
Anyway it was at that point I think I really gave up on reddit as a whole because I had no other purpose to be there.
FRSO seems cool, how are you liking it?
Highly recommend! Everyone I’ve met seems serious and dedicated, but also are just fun to hang with
That’s great! My impression of them was that there weren’t many members, so it’s good to hear they’re doing well!
There are plenty of members, though our focus is less on building up members in FRSO (that is important though) and more on agitating the masses and getting them involved in mass organizations. We understand that there is not a dominant working class party in the US, and that there likely will not be a major uptick in explicit communist organizing in time before shit really hits the fan (climate change, serious war, etc.)
The goal is to funnel the masses to organizations that are not explicitly communist but hold similar principles that are easier for the average USian to grasp and get behind - local anti-war, anti-bigotry, unionization, things of that nature. They are not fronts for the party and they are ran by members of the “masses” themselves, i.e. I as an FRSO member could in theory be removed from the local mass orgs I am in.
The mass line is very important to FRSO’s method of organizing and important to successfully enacting a revolution in general. FRSO or any other explicit communist party will never reach the numbers that a mass organization would, especially in the US.
So while you’re correct that there aren’t (as) many cadre in FRSO proper compared to other orgs, there exists a large base of GMs and almost every single organization that is not a front for some other party exists because of FRSO. Take Students for a Democratic Society as an example.
This is not to say we don’t want FRSO to have a solid influence on these mass orgs; in practice the most dedicated and hard-working organizers in them are FRSO and we celebrate that as communists because then the socialist movement has a solid way to influence and educate the masses. But we cannot go about organizing just recruiting for communism in the US, at least not yet.
There’s more reading on the website, frso.org
But all in all, we are a deeply serious organization with cadre who go through extensive political education and exercises, and many of them have years if not decades of experience. I don’t want to throw shade or anything of that sort to other parties, but I can confidently say when the revolution comes busting through the US, FRSO will have had the largest “market share” in terms of impact/credit for it.
This is a really cool overview, thank you!!!
Further, FRSO is one of the only existing parties to have been raided by the FBI, and we wear that badge with honor.
Not a party, Comrade, not yet
Yes yes, I just was using it colloquially 😅
FRSO is brilliant.
I absolutely support leaving reddit, it will help your mental health for sure, the social media landscape is by and large a hazard to mental health.
Awesome. That whole site is a low quality op
“Even the communist subs are filled with ultras and liberals”
I only use reddit when I search online for recommendations or answers to questions (usually computer related). Otherwise, I am not really using my account anymore. Because of the reddit exodus, most lemmy instances are filled with extremely toxic people. It makes me a little sick to my stomach when observing or interacting with them. I am siloed into lemmygrad mostly, using other instances and social media to spread info for a socialist cause, even if I don’t do it well sometimes. When I work with PSL, it’s a breath of fresh air.
Real as fuck. Organizing and touching grass beats rotting at the computer watching the world burn from your screen any day. Good job getting out there 👏
I only occasionally look at political subreddits, I usually just look at stuff like music instead and even then, I’m accessing Reddit through Libreddit because I don’t like the website at all
What’s FRSO?
The link is dead
I couldn’t get it to work either, but it leads here: https://frso.org/
Freedom Road Socialist Organization
