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    There are even a bunch of people wearing both types of helmets in the video, are all the reds the bosses lol? Its probably just two different strength-rated helmets, and the red ones should be used for more hazardous work.

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    They’re clearly two different helmet types, the fragile one seems to be a bump helmet and the red one a safety hat. The bump helmet is just meant to help you if you bump into something, but will not help if something falls on you. Different use cases for different scenarios.

    Or it’s also possible the bosses cheaped out when buying the helmets.

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    I’d stray away from trying to argue with people over short clips of what very well looks like an isolated instance of something bad. No one has ever argued that socialist countries are perfect, no one has ever said that bad things and/or bad people haven’t existed in them.

    Even if we take what they say about this video at face value, that they’re being given incredibly poor safety helmets, then what is the conclusion supposed to be other than to say, “yeah that’s bad the person in charge should be held responsible and it should change”. Why would you extrapolate this one video onto the entirety of Chinese society and make a massive stretch of an effort to condemn said society? It’s one short video, without much context, and they’re speaking a language most of the libs watching can’t understand. Do they even know if what’s said in the title is truthful? So why would you immediately jump to conclusions?

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      Why would you extrapolate this one video onto the entirety of Chinese society and make a massive stretch of an effort to condemn said society?

      That is precisely what redditors will do without active and effective pushback in every single thread.

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        Redditors often have a very narrow world view outside of their own country. To them, the US is diverse with lots of different people and local “cultures.” They however see every other country as one big homogeneous group that are all the same. Couple this with any video able to be spun as confirming their deeply ingrained biases and bada bing bada boom, you have the lot of them watching something like this and claiming the CCP in it’s entirety is a failure cause the hat broke.

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      It’s just… this is something that should only exist in capitalist countries, not in a truly Red Left country according to the visions of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao. It kind of destroys my worldview when I see this.

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        If one video with no context or backstory of an asian man breaking a bump helmet with a safety helmet with a title claiming it’s because the workers are given cheap helmets is enough to destroy your world view of socialism/communism then perhaps your world view is a little too fragile.

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          I used to be like this so I understand. It’s mostly because libs gaslight you into a strawman making you think that socialist countries have to be perfect paradises otherwise they’re worthless and Orwellian hell. It’s better to just admit and understand that it’s a human society that will have flaws and there will be some bad things that happen. Libs do this all the time, all the time they admit bad things about capitalism but can brush it aside as a bad but isolated instances, why can’t we leftists do that? Why does socialism have to be perfect 24/7 all the time?

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        Why would worker who freely talk about the fragility of a helmet while being in a crowd of many people be bad? As it is in Mandarin, I cannot comprehend him, but there are several workers who wear both helmet and that speaker has access to the both types of helmet. No Communist governments claimed that they are perfect, but at least they are more better than the sole successful Capitalist superpower that depends on free riding and military backed puppet governments in former European colonies.

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      Had this come from anywhere else

      Irony is, if it happened in China those workers have a union, and that union has a seat at some level of legislative government.

      The story accompanying this video only gets traction because it’s the kind of thing that can happen in neolib shithole democracies, where unions are mostly feeble or controlled. Westerners project.

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      That is a very shitty helmet. See how thin the plastic is, and how easily he smashes it. That yellow helmet provides zero protection from anything. That site should be closed down because of that video. If it’s not, there is a serious problem with the regulation in whatever territory this is.

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        For all its capitalist growth, China is a very long way off communism, sadly. When the CCP allowed factory owners to stay on as members - that should have proof if it were needed of the implications of going down the capitalist road.

        If you have read and understood Mao you should know this already. That doesn’t mean any less opposition to US imperialism etc but we are Marxists and can do dialectical contradictions - right?

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          I’m not a Maoist. But it’s always interesting to learn new perspectives. What’s a dialectical contradiction?

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            It’s very hard to explain in even a long comment. There are also different ways of conceiving them - basically and extremely TLDR they are fundamental (material/social) contradictions in a process of self-development. Mao wrote a book ‘on contradiction’ which is worth reading but his dialectics has certainly been subject to criticism as it can be quite mechanical and also his explanation of development involving contradictions is quite simplistic - it has been said that he was influenced by the historic Chinese dialectical tradition. The classic texts on idealistic dialectics (not counting Aristotle) would be by Hegel (most obviously the Phenomenologie der Geist or Logik but anything of his is full of it). These are not the right place to start however, and I would suggedt reading but not relying upon an introductory text before checking out Lenin who wrote some great stuff on it too. Perhaps the best materialistic dialectical book is Kapital vol 1 by Marx. There’s a huge amount more I could say here but will end it now.

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              From some quick research this seems to be the kernel

              Something is either A or not A; there is no third. sweet, not sweet? green, not green? The determination should lead to determinateness, but in this triviality it leads to nothing.

              it is said that there is no third. There is a third in this thesis itself. A itself is the third, for A can be both + A and - A.

              Every concrete thing, every concrete something, stands in multifarious and often contradictory relations to everything else, ergo it is itself and some other.

              Is that it, or close enough?

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    Fucking hell the cringe in that comment thread.

    I’m not worried about the collapse of Western society anymore: Westerners have enough hatred and spite in their hearts to fuel themselves without food for decades. Just need to evacuate the kind people.

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    Thanks all for the responses. I was just confused about the different helmets mostly.