Yeah he had a choice. Do nothing and have US bases, next door, on the historical invasion route into Russia, or push back. He tried diplomacy for several years and extended his arms in friendship towards the west for even longer. Neither worked. Putin isn’t stupid, he saw the writing at the wall and eventually prepared accordingly.
“He had a choice, he could’ve either let us roll him over and undermine his sovereignty without retaliation like a good little vassal, or he could’ve chosen to be orcishputlervoldemort and we see what he chose so the entire nation deserves to be glassed”
Yes Putin had a choice: either to do what he did or to allow Russia to be destroyed. Of course we know that Westoids fantasize about Russia having another Gorbachev-Yeltsin like leader who would let the West ravage (and i would have used a stronger word here but out of respect for the sensibilities of my comrades here i am choosing less coarse language) and dismantle their country while they do nothing but get drunk and star in Pizza Hut commercials. The most regrettable thing about the situation - other than that it had to come to this brother war at all - is that it was not done by a communist government but by the liberal reactionary Putin, and that is also ultimately of the West’s making as they pursued their usual playbook in Russia in the 90s of empowering the right wing to prevent socialists from taking power again.
Is Putin a liberal? I thought he was a reactionarry who was anti liberal democracy?
He’s liberal in that he’s pro-capitalist and pro-oligarch (as long as they don’t joust with him directly)…
Are you absolutely certain that is the definition of liberalism? I am potentially under the misconception of what the definition is. I have been assuming for a long time that liberal meant an advocate for liberal democracy such as Norway, France, USA, or Mexico. For example, a Fascist like Mussolini would not be a liberal despite supporting both Capitalism and Oligarchs. If Putin is a Liberal, then why is Mussolini not a Liberal, or is he one?
liberal meant an advocate for liberal democracy such as Norway, France, USA, or Mexico.
Think about it, for a sec, that liberalism, more or less, generally describes the current ideology of capitalism, even while it changes and diverges between different groups…
For example, the same people, shown to be the forerunners of liberalism, the classical liberals, such as Thomas Jefferson and Edmund Burke, clearly only agreed on property relations, democracy and class interests, but on the latter half which they focused on, they diverge, due to differing local class interests…
Edmund Burke, though pro-liberal representative democracy and anti-slavery, condemned the French Revolution, despite its progressive liberal and bourgeois stance, due to its anti-aristocratic and anti-monarchial nature that might indirectly lead to the destruction of such propertied interests (the old riches, so to speak)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Burke#Representative_democracy
Whereas Thomas Jefferson condoned, if not supported the French Revolution, due to its same progressive liberal bourgeois stance and republicanism, and its opposition to British interests that threatened both U.S and Revolutionary France (though the former would later outshadow UK in its atrocities)
You can say similarly between Russia and U.S.A, though I presume Russia to be more influenced by its Soviet past to not easily let go of any essential publicly-owned oil and military assets…
However, the emphasis on property relations isn’t necessarily on land and industry anymore, as much as it is on industry-based Russia vs finance-based American and Europe… though the two things (industry and finance) aren’t mutually exclusive
“Yeah, well, what if everything western media says is true? Did you think about that?”
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Thanks!
Does this person think that if someone is being mugged that it isn’t actually a crime because the person “chose” to give their wallet to the mugger?
“You made the choice to give him your wallet and not get stabbed, so really this is your own fault.”
I’ve heard some particularly deranged libertarians – one admires their honesty if nothing else – almost make that argument.
Dios Mio, (draw a cross) a consistent LIBERAL!
It says something about liberalism that the only way to be consistent about is to be a libertarian, and to be perpetually stuck at the mental age of thirteen.
I love when liberals take the “parent” route: “So disappointed in you Putin, you can’t blame everyone else for your decisions. If Lukashenko jumped off a cliff would you do it too?” Reminds me of the “If I was Putin’s mom, I would never have been mean to him🥰💔😭”
Reminds me of the “If I was Putin’s mom, I would never have been mean to him🥰💔😭”
Are you referring to this nuclear-grade cringe?
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
You also have the choice to quit your job and not pay your bills anymore
I’m tired of all the “this started in February 2022” ass takes
Of all the lib arguments, none annoy me as much as equating making rational decisions based on conditions caused by your enemy with having no agency whatsoever.
What subjective idealism do to mfers.
Imagine reducing politics to this.
People are yearning for Hexbear’s smuglord emoji is what I gather from this thread
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Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Putin also came among them. The Lord said to Putin, “Whence have you come?” Putin answered the Lord, “From spying and threatening Ukraine.” And the Lord said to Putin, “Have you considered my servant Zelensky, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who upholds democracy and turns away from all manner of government corruption?” Then Putin answered the Lord, “Does Zelensky uphold democracy for naught? Hast thou not promised to put the hedge of NATO about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But let Cheeto Man but be elected to the White House, he who is anti-NATO, and then Tucker Carlson shall spread Russian propaganda, and no one shall stop me when I send tanks into Ukraine and disrupt Ukraine’s plumbing systems by stealing all their toilets.” And the Lord said to Satan, “Do this; only you shall see at the end that NATO will triumph, and that Zelensky is a man in whom there is no guile." So Putin went forth from the presence of the Lord…
