- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmy.ml
- news@hexbear.net
- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmy.ml
- news@hexbear.net
Turns out that the 50 NATO countries supporting Ukraine, led by the United States, recently discussed how much and what Kiev will have to surrender (not only territory) in order to enter into peace negotiations with Russia and how the collective West can save face.
These considerations are caused both by an analysis of the dynamics at the front, and by the situation in these European countries and in the States, where there is a deadlock in the issue of supplying Ukraine, and Russia’s supply seems endless.
Ukraine is experiencing problems with mobilization, even to the point of protests for demobilization and the methods of the Ukrainian authorities to send new meat to the front.
As the war drags on the calls for surrender will become tougher and the west will begin to demand faster surrender with more concessions. The impasse over aid to Ukraine is only growing stronger as attention shifts to Israel’s war with Hamas.
It’s also worth noting the rhetoric about a certain “dead end” on the battlefield where supposedly neither side can advance successfully that’s now being parroted all across western media. The simple truth that Russia is winning can’t be printed in the mainstream media, but a dead end narrative is politically acceptable. Both Arestovich and Zaluzhny recently expressed themselves in the same vein.
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There would be no aid left for Ukraine if the administration hadn’t said it found a $6.2 billion accounting error from months of over-valuing equipment sent to Kyiv.
lol
Yeah, “error” xD
My company’s finance department combs the records like they are looking for Carmen Sandiego if they find a 1 cent rounding error, nevermind an “accounting error” of billions.
I would like some accounting errors please.
And Redditors told me the Ukrainian people would continue fighting even without US support.
A guy at a casino says he’s pretty sure he’s due to win it big after losing most his money. :)
99.99% of gamblers give up before they hit it big
like in afghanisan or south vietnam. the moment the colonist police is out, the collaborators give up
That wasn’t really the case with South Vietnam, they continued fighting for almost 4-5 years and the straw that broke the camels back was that they could no longer get fuel due to the Oil Crisis, and the US stopped sending them parts and ammunition for their American weapons, something the South Vietnamese were able to make themselves.
I mean, the USAF still operated, it was just US soldiers who stopped being on the ground.
True, but the massive air operations of the late 60’s was a long gone memory.
It was small scale raids, reconnaissance, and limited air superiority missions.
And now the disgruntled nazi terror orients itself towards the “European heartland” lmfao.
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving knot of complicity. Far too many people went capo for me to have any sympathy over what happens next.
Couldn’t happen to a more deserving knot of complicity.
Ooh, I dunno…NA north of the US-Mexico border?
I’m trying to be realistic with the current span of time we’ve got, and that one’s going to take a whole lot more time and concentrated action. Do you think Amerika’s going to let their jilted modern day Taliban-expies anywhere near any ingress to the country if they can help it? If we know the pattern, they definitely do… Or at least, should.
Mujahideen 2.0 : Nazi Boogaloo
But all the trustworthy news sources that stand with Israel keep telling me that Ukraine is winning!
Liberals as they put away their Ukraine flag: Ukraine? What…oh, they beat Russia right? Didn’t that end like a month ago? We need to fight antisemitism now!
“Peace talks” is their attempt to repackage the unconditional capitulation - and Russia won’t settle for much less than that.
Pretty much, these talks are obviously going to happen on Russian terms. The real tragedy here is that if the west didn’t interfere i the peace talks in March last year, then Ukraine would’ve got a far better deal, hundreds of thousands of people wouldn’t have died, and millions more wouldn’t have had their lives ruined. All the west accomplished was to increase human suffering by orders of magnitude and ensure that the outcome for Ukraine is far more catastrophic.
All the scumbags who called negotiations appeasement and kept cheering this on have a lot of blood on their hands.
It never fails to astonish me how much blood Americans have on our collective hands, and yet we all just continue on about our way, not just pretending that nothing happened the way it did, but educating our children to never even ask if it happened elseways to the way we say it did.
The most depressing part is how most people jump at every new war never learning from past experience, like this is going to be the one war where US is on the right side of history.
This is also to say nothing of the selling off of large amounts of Ukrainian assets at an accelerated rate as well. Which will directly and indirectly impact the lives of Ukrainians for a very long time.
Exactly, the people of Ukraine are being robbed by the west as their country is destroyed. A lot of the assets have now been sold to firms like BlackRock, and Ukraine is on the hook for a bunch of loans it has no hope of ever paying off. Whatever is left under western control is going to be brutally exploited.
Oh, so you do negotiate with terrorists ? Seems like we(sterners) will simply refuse to negotiate when we’re stronger.
They’ve already lost more territory than if they immediately accepted russian terms 20 months ago(, instead they killed their negotiators for treason).
Seems like Russia made the right choice, i’m glad it didn’t end up in the definitive end of the world by nuclear weapons over this.Demilitarisation is necessary because you don’t know what the future elections will bring. Russia’s has more than one goal, but i think that its main one was/is to avoid the transformation of Ukraine into n.a.t.o.'s tool( against them), i’m glad if they succeeded in that, and sorry for everyone’s deaths&injuries.
Now we(sterners) will try to open other fronts, Georgia is still in our mind, Scandinavia and Baltic states as well, but Central Asia is even more interesting, especially Kazakhstan, Ukraine was only one of the options and it’s not “our” deaths, only paper money(, like, what, 5% of our military budget ? It’d still be profitable even if it wasn’t in loans and from our own military industries).
Of course, as everyone knows, stopping our conflicts with the many countries who disagree with us is out of the question, because… (?)
More than a little early for victory dances.
Russia won as soon as the u.s.a. decided that the certainty of a nuclear apocalypse wasn’t worth intervening(, which is why they didn’t invade the U.s.s.r. and China back then). The question was more about the losses they would have before then.
I don’t know how many more months of “necessary lies” about successful counteroffensives we need before admitting it.Sure, it would be different if Russia occupied hostile territories.
And i still think about this :
Every war sucks, it’s just that we can’t ignore that we’re at war against them, it’s too easy to blame them for reacting to our hostility while not trying to solve the cause(s), our demands for peace shouldn’t be addressed only to Russia but mainly towards the west(, and Russia is only one of those oppressed by the “arrogant powers”), if only we were all united in diversity then wars waged for security reasons would cease to exist.
Tankassandra curse strikes again
