The conversations have included very broad outlines of what Ukraine might need to give up to reach a deal with Russia.

Turns out that the 50 NATO countries supporting Ukraine, led by the United States, recently discussed how much and what Kiev will have to surrender (not only territory) in order to enter into peace negotiations with Russia and how the collective West can save face.

These considerations are caused both by an analysis of the dynamics at the front, and by the situation in these European countries and in the States, where there is a deadlock in the issue of supplying Ukraine, and Russia’s supply seems endless.

Ukraine is experiencing problems with mobilization, even to the point of protests for demobilization and the methods of the Ukrainian authorities to send new meat to the front.

As the war drags on the calls for surrender will become tougher and the west will begin to demand faster surrender with more concessions. The impasse over aid to Ukraine is only growing stronger as attention shifts to Israel’s war with Hamas.

It’s also worth noting the rhetoric about a certain “dead end” on the battlefield where supposedly neither side can advance successfully that’s now being parroted all across western media. The simple truth that Russia is winning can’t be printed in the mainstream media, but a dead end narrative is politically acceptable. Both Arestovich and Zaluzhny recently expressed themselves in the same vein.

    • soumerd_retardataire
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      1 year ago

      Russia won as soon as the u.s.a. decided that the certainty of a nuclear apocalypse wasn’t worth intervening(, which is why they didn’t invade the U.s.s.r. and China back then). The question was more about the losses they would have before then.
      I don’t know how many more months of “necessary lies” about successful counteroffensives we need before admitting it.

      Sure, it would be different if Russia occupied hostile territories.

      And i still think about this :

      Every war sucks, it’s just that we can’t ignore that we’re at war against them, it’s too easy to blame them for reacting to our hostility while not trying to solve the cause(s), our demands for peace shouldn’t be addressed only to Russia but mainly towards the west(, and Russia is only one of those oppressed by the “arrogant powers”), if only we were all united in diversity then wars waged for security reasons would cease to exist.