Ankara could block the pair from joining the US-led military alliance, with unanimous agreement needed on new members.

Bit of a hiccup there

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It’s so hilarious, how western Europeans are so desperate to differentiate themselves from the eastern “hordes”. They get no advantage by joining nato, except having to spend a shitton on weapons and possibly freezing and paying 5x for gas but the prestige of being “western” is too much of a pull to deny.

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You don’t get it, it’s not about some “prestige”, it’s just imperialism. At the end of the day, all of these countries have to dance to America’s tune, their “sovereignty” is a joke lol

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“modern” “democratic” “western” alliance with “freedom” “morality” and “justice”

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Yep, these notions of superiority have driven them insane.

I had no idea every member had to agree. Hope Turkey goes through with this. For Finland especially, joining NATO would be incredibly stupid

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For Finland especially, joining NATO would be incredibly stupid

Why’s that?

I’m really just basing it on the massive border between Finland and Russia – don’t know much beyond that

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That border is exactly why they’re advocating for the membership. Consider: how many NATO members did Russia have an open war with in the past thirty years? How many non-members? That is the logic being applied here. If you go off the premise that “Russia is expansionist and Putin is a megalomaniac who wants to rebuild Soviet Empire”, it makes some strange type of sense.

Of course, from an imperialist (pro-US) point of view, it more or less makes sense. The population has probably been led to believe that they should fear a Russian invasion if they don’t join NATO. My point was that I don’t think Russia is anywhere near as willing to accept NATO expansion as it was 10 years ago, so I can’t see how this could possibly improve Finland’s security

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Well what are the options? Actually invade Finland if it gets signed up and risk the Article 5? Not to mention that Finland is not Ukraine and had a lot more time to prepare and shore up, not to mention the border with Sweden - a major arms manufacturer. And that’s not even getting into the viability of a war on two fronts.

The options for Russia? Militarily, I don’t think there’s much they can do that wouldn’t risk WWIII. Economically, in 2019, about 14% of Finland’s imports came from Russia, but it’s clearly far less dependent on Russia than many other European countries, so I don’t know how much of an impact ceasing trade will have.

For Finland? The alternative is to try to restore neutral relations with Russia or at least to not officially join the world’s largest terrorist organization, but I’m far from an expert w.r.t. geopolitics or economics, and I’m also not from Finland

Either way, I don’t think there’s much chance of Amerika (and the rest of NATO) de-escalating unless the people revolt

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Unfortunately i don’t think this is very serious, i think Erdogan will extract concessions from the Swedes and Finns about stopping being so cozy with the PKK, and then he will ok it.

I would put more hopes on Hungary, however even there i could foresee a scenario in which the EU or US come up with a sufficiently large bribe to sway them.

In the end though, whatever happens, NATO can just break its own rules and claim it had to make an exception. I don’t think unanimity will be a concern for much longe.

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Can someone fill me in about countries like Sweden and Finland allowing people’s war folks in? This seems so weird but maybe I’m just not informed enough about the PKK. Same feeling as Sison being allowed to safely live there. I don’t get why NATO allies are friendly with Maoists actively engaged in pww lol

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Finland apparentelly did no learn its lesson from the White War.

Amicese
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What is a “White War”? A race war?

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its when the soviets invaded finland. The Soviets had a bit of trouble, but suceeded.

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White war because it was mainly fighted in the snow.

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You mean the winter war?

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Yeah that’s the one. why call it a ‘white war’?

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They probably got it confused

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A fun implication: .uk has already signed a mutual defence thingy with Finland, designed to give them cover in the period between applying and joining. If that period is years, rather than months, it puts them over a barrel.

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Erdogan’s been acting too independent for a NATO memeber lately. Guess the next coup against him might succeed.

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