PSA: Wagner Group does not exist. They’re a loose group of unrelated combatants that US thinks have relations with Russian government. There is no evidence that Dmitry Utkin is the head of Wagner. The only proof there is is a document acquired by BBC requesting equipment, which is signed by “D.U” which BBC claims “is believed” to be Dmitry Utkin. There is no evidence that Dmitry Utkin is a neo-Nazi. The article writes: (emphasis mine)
Mr Utkin, a former paratrooper in the Russian special forces, is reportedly the founder and overall commander of the Wagner group. He himself was formerly known as “Wagner” because of his alleged interest in Nazi Germany, which promoted the music of composer Richard Wagner.
There is no proof that the image of a man with Nazi tattoos is Dmitry Utkin. The image’s original source is The Times, which claims the image is “purported to show Wagner’s leader Dmitry Utkin, a former Russian special forces commander”.
So what do we have? An image of a man with Nazi tattoos, purported to be Dmitry Utkin, who is believed to be the head of Wagner group, which doesn’t exist.
Libs claim this is the same level of a problem as the Azov Battalion, an explicit Nazi organization with explicit stated goal of establishing a fascist state in Ukraine, using explicit Nazi imagery, talking points, and politics, who are “training” child soldiers to ingrain fascist worldviews in them from an early age, who are officially and explicitly integrated into Ukraine’s armed forces.
Also important to note two things, firstly many people who criticize Azov are not even in favor of Russian invasion, and even people who wholeheartedly agree with the invasion are not doing so out of a hatred for the Ukrainian people. They are not happy watching some random Ukrainian kid die. Meanwhile the Azov supporters use Wagner as a justification to make racial claims such as “The Russian people are predisposed to violence due to their eastern roots” and they do in fact advocate for collective punishment on Russians.
It’s projection on every level.
You talk about the coup, they’ll whatabout you on Russia’s supporting of the couped president.
You talk about Ukraine’s non-democractic rule, they’ll whatabout you on Russia’s opposition assassinations
You talk about Palestine, they claim you’re whatabouting them on the level of “all lives matter”
there’s really no winning with them. They’ll create standards things have to meet for them to give their support, but as soon as the side they prefer does anything that breaks those standards, they’ll find any way imaginable to defend it. The media could report that Ukraine is rounding up Russians and minorities and gunning them down left right and centre, and Liberals who swear up and down that they’d never’ve supported the Nazis would find some way to defend it. All the while claiming to care about oppressive race violence in their own countries.
If the liberals are good at anything. It’s performance and denial.
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They drag us to their level and beat us with experience.
With some skill, one can trick a liberal into making an “unacceptable” racist comment by their standards, then get others to gang on them. The problem is steering the talk to get them there.
Oh, just hang onto it. They’re gonna be coming around in a year and change with their “vote blue no matter who” bullshit again, but this time, we get to call them nazis and nazi collaborators for this shit, and the bottling of liberal tears will be plentiful. There will be no further engagement with the DNC or their lackeys out of me.
Gonna come out in ten years that the Wagner Group is just a bunch of Russian composers who like writing really long pieces for big orchestra
OMG Wagner group is dissolving tonality!!!
Zelensky: starts furiously playing all of Clementi’s piano sonatas
Bro Wagner is real I’ve got proof
But Wagner died in 1883, how did you get a photo of him???
The spirit of communism
Who told the smoothbrains about whataboutism anyway? They keep using it wrong.
Whataboutism! This is whataboutism! [Idk what whataboutism means]
Some famous youtuber.
Exactly. In my opinion, Wagner are a group of either mercenaries employed by Russia or unofficial GRU agents (meaning they are de facto russian soldiers but they are employed off the books to have plausible deniability). And they are definetely not nazis, the pictures “proving” that are awfully made photoshops.
