A major dam in Russian-occupied southern Ukraine was destroyed early Tuesday, prompting evacuations and fears for large-scale devastation as Russia and Ukraine blamed each other for committing what they both described as a terrorist act.
I see a lot of people saying it was to counter a non existing counteroffensive the media here keeps talking about. According to them, for weeks now, it could ‘happen any time’. But now that the dam has broken, the imaginary counterattack will probably not happen anymore!
I see a lot of people making a convincing case it was a Ukrainian hit job, and I’ve even seen a somewhat convincing case that it was just an accident and nobody is to blame (but I don’t think dams usually fall apart like that lol).
So far I’ve only seen NAFO bots shouting “russian propaganda” when asked to present evidence as to why Russia would destroy their own dam. Only reason I’ve been able to glean is that it makes an offensive more difficult in this area and lets them reposition troops somewhere else… for all the three months that the water will be there.
We know the US is basically ready to give up on Ukraine (Pentagon stating Ukraine can’t win back territory and other such analyses that get buried by MSM).
We know Ukraine is on the verge of economic collapse and depend on US/European funding (US has just announced they’ll pay Ukrainian government wages).
If this fabled counteroffensive does occur and fails (which it likely will), it’s very likely the US will pull back. After all, they’ve gotten most of what they wanted (blowing up Nordstream, making the Europeans depend on them for gas, privatizing Ukraine, fat profits for corporations have been gained). Furthermore, they can’t really deal with all the backlash, and want to pivot for a confrontation with China.
Ukraine is most likely the culprit here, as it gives them an excuse to push back their “counteroffensive” while saving face for themselves and their overlords.
Ukraine is most likely the culprit here, as it gives them an excuse to push back their “counteroffensive” while saving face for themselves and their overlords.
While also manufacturing yet another atrocity, which as we can see in the western internet, are super popular among the bootlickers which add to the war fervor in the west by itself.
Also it was a strategic target, it does make things harder for Russia.
Finally, see the below pic from Wapo:
UA had the plans for blowing the dam last year, but they “held off”. But between the dwindling help from the west, recent Russian bombings of ammo depots and the bloodbath at Bakhmut one thing is increasingly more clear: there is no getting back the lost territories. Which therefore went from cathegory “temporarily occupied” to “theirs” and thus might as well destroy the crucial infrastructure.
The story I’m starting hear is “ecocide,” i.e., the Russians are so cartoonishly and moustache-twirlingly evil that they’ve decided they want to kill Mother Nature. Just because.
I wonder what those completely honest environmentalists say when they hear about the ecological impact of Nordstream bombing.
Especially considering German Green party which i’m sure is totally doing everything in their power to bring to justice people responsible for that double sabotage of their country and our planet.
I mean if you go to the relevant lemmy thread, you will read the literally exact same arguments they used back then.
I wonder what those completely honest environmentalists say when they hear about the ecological impact of Nordstream bombing.
Ten years ago, idiot American right wingers used to argue that oil spills weren’t a big deal, because petroleum is a natural substance. I’m kind of waiting for this argument to resurface among European and especially German “leftists.”
On Twitter they’re sharing a story of an apparent Russian soldier who talks about the dam and how Russia benefits from it. I don’t get it, all Russians are invaders and liars, except for this one random vlogger, you can trust him? lol
Some people said he had a Ukrainian last name but I think it’s more likely this guy is making shit up to sound interesting lmao
How you could even discuss with those people:
Step 1: take control of a crucial service to supply the people with water
Step 2: blow it up just because you can, effectively damaging the ecosystem and harming your own people
Step 3: ???
Step 4: profit
Did you read the comment? Russia didn’t do it for profit they did it for pure spite./s
I see a lot of people saying it was to counter a non existing counteroffensive the media here keeps talking about. According to them, for weeks now, it could ‘happen any time’. But now that the dam has broken, the imaginary counterattack will probably not happen anymore!
I see a lot of people making a convincing case it was a Ukrainian hit job, and I’ve even seen a somewhat convincing case that it was just an accident and nobody is to blame (but I don’t think dams usually fall apart like that lol).
So far I’ve only seen NAFO bots shouting “russian propaganda” when asked to present evidence as to why Russia would destroy their own dam. Only reason I’ve been able to glean is that it makes an offensive more difficult in this area and lets them reposition troops somewhere else… for all the three months that the water will be there.
While the water destroys the already prepared defensive lines and areas where troops (and civilians) are located.
Just speculating here:
We know the US is basically ready to give up on Ukraine (Pentagon stating Ukraine can’t win back territory and other such analyses that get buried by MSM).
We know Ukraine is on the verge of economic collapse and depend on US/European funding (US has just announced they’ll pay Ukrainian government wages).
If this fabled counteroffensive does occur and fails (which it likely will), it’s very likely the US will pull back. After all, they’ve gotten most of what they wanted (blowing up Nordstream, making the Europeans depend on them for gas, privatizing Ukraine, fat profits for corporations have been gained). Furthermore, they can’t really deal with all the backlash, and want to pivot for a confrontation with China.
Ukraine is most likely the culprit here, as it gives them an excuse to push back their “counteroffensive” while saving face for themselves and their overlords.
While also manufacturing yet another atrocity, which as we can see in the western internet, are super popular among the bootlickers which add to the war fervor in the west by itself.
Also it was a strategic target, it does make things harder for Russia.
Finally, see the below pic from Wapo: UA had the plans for blowing the dam last year, but they “held off”. But between the dwindling help from the west, recent Russian bombings of ammo depots and the bloodbath at Bakhmut one thing is increasingly more clear: there is no getting back the lost territories. Which therefore went from cathegory “temporarily occupied” to “theirs” and thus might as well destroy the crucial infrastructure.
because ruZZia is COMMUNIST, and they don’t believe in PROFIT – some American reading this unironically
The story I’m starting hear is “ecocide,” i.e., the Russians are so cartoonishly and moustache-twirlingly evil that they’ve decided they want to kill Mother Nature. Just because.
I wonder what those completely honest environmentalists say when they hear about the ecological impact of Nordstream bombing.
Especially considering German Green party which i’m sure is totally doing everything in their power to bring to justice people responsible for that double sabotage of their country and our planet.
I mean if you go to the relevant lemmy thread, you will read the literally exact same arguments they used back then.
Ten years ago, idiot American right wingers used to argue that oil spills weren’t a big deal, because petroleum is a natural substance. I’m kind of waiting for this argument to resurface among European and especially German “leftists.”
By the way, here’s some Ukrainian propaganda for you, rejoicing at the undermining of this very dam last year.
Now this post has been deleted, and the same propagandists accuse Russia of blowing up the dam.
Yup, they weren’t even hiding they want to do it. Same as with Nord Stream.
All the beehaw “leftists” going straight up like the meme about USA lying every time but not this time.
On Twitter they’re sharing a story of an apparent Russian soldier who talks about the dam and how Russia benefits from it. I don’t get it, all Russians are invaders and liars, except for this one random vlogger, you can trust him? lol
Some people said he had a Ukrainian last name but I think it’s more likely this guy is making shit up to sound interesting lmao