This is so convoluted by goebbels propaganda and the west’s eagerness to repeat nazi propaganda. Does anyone have any good sources on it? I don’t really trust goebbels or the liberals that repeat what he said.

  • @Stalins_Spoon
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    It was carried out by Germany, and the bodies were dumped on the Soviet side. The bodies had been shot by German ammunition

    • @carpe_modoOP
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      Apparently, they didn’t have to cross over into Soviet lines. A 2011 Ukrainian archaeological dig determined that they were from 1941, the year the Nazis took that area.

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      The bodies weren’t moved, they murdered those people at the place, but it was after the Barbarossa started, germans captured the Poles after Soviets retreated and then murdered them. But then Goebbels thought it’s gonna be a propaganda banger and they “discovered” the mass graves and told the world the victims were murdered before they really were - the difference was exactly who controlled the territory. There are proof victims were still alive after soviet retreat, and few of the people suposedly murdered in Katyń turned up dead at another nazi mass murder site in Ukraine, which proves they were in nazi hands for time enough to even be moved around occupied territory.

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          In fact, recent archaeological discoveries(2011) have confirmed that the bullets and the bodies are from no earlier than 1941. It wasn’t until 1943(the Nazis had captured it in the first half of 1941) that the massacre was unearthed. This just so happened to provide Goebbels the perfect propaganda to push during the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto.

          https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ojs.library.ubc.ca/index.php/clogic/article/download/193976/190041/227652&ved=2ahUKEwjB3c6rmdL7AhUIkWoFHestC-gQFnoECA0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1qfJn-BzgLimlYaVMy0k8X

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            • @carpe_modoOP
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              This was a good source. Thank you!

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                  • @PolandIsAStateOfMind
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                    Did you even read any articles? I provided plenty in other post. All your questions are answered there.

                    Germany had neither the capabilities or motive.

                    Seriou-fucking-sly? No capabilities? Did you missed every other nazi mass murder in the war? Killing 20000 people was completely routinely for them. No motives? It was like killing four birds with one stone: they were killing polish officials anyway in occupied territories since the war started, they were in the middle of Barbarossa so they just killed them and moved, it provided them with one of the best anticommunist pieces ever, and allowed - in the absolutely critical time - to sow political discord between polish London government supported by British and USSR.

                    insane effort

                    What insane effort? They killed the people literally as quick stop, just one of many massacres, not even bothering to set up any different methods than usual, then send some bogus commission and accused their enemies of their own war crime. Neither of that was any much effort.

          • @cayde6ml
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            A United Nations report found German shell-casings and tried extremely hard to twist the scenario into a “idk both sides are equally likely” barest modicrum of false equivalence and guessing.

            I don’t buy that in the recently industrialized Soviet Union, Soviet soldiers would be forced to scrounge for nazi guns.