This is so convoluted by goebbels propaganda and the west’s eagerness to repeat nazi propaganda. Does anyone have any good sources on it? I don’t really trust goebbels or the liberals that repeat what he said.

  • @Stalins_Spoon
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    It was carried out by Germany, and the bodies were dumped on the Soviet side. The bodies had been shot by German ammunition

    • @carpe_modoOP
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      Apparently, they didn’t have to cross over into Soviet lines. A 2011 Ukrainian archaeological dig determined that they were from 1941, the year the Nazis took that area.

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      The bodies weren’t moved, they murdered those people at the place, but it was after the Barbarossa started, germans captured the Poles after Soviets retreated and then murdered them. But then Goebbels thought it’s gonna be a propaganda banger and they “discovered” the mass graves and told the world the victims were murdered before they really were - the difference was exactly who controlled the territory. There are proof victims were still alive after soviet retreat, and few of the people suposedly murdered in Katyń turned up dead at another nazi mass murder site in Ukraine, which proves they were in nazi hands for time enough to even be moved around occupied territory.

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    “Unfortunately, we have had to give up Katyn. The Bolsheviks undoubtedly will soon ‘find’ that we shot 12,000 Polish officers. That episode is one that is going to cause us quite a little trouble in the future. The Soviets are undoubtedly going to make it their business to discover as many mass-graves as possible and then blame it on us” - Joseph Goebbels, private diary

    I think one of the more confusing parts here, is that it was actually the British spreading these lies, FDR didn’t believe it and joked about it with Stalin, and Stalin used Churchill’s belief that it happened to argue privately with FDR that Churchill and the British were nazi sympathizers and as soon as the war was over they would turn traitor and become even worse than the fascists and nazis.

    • @carpe_modoOP
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      This was awesome! Thank you! I read a few of them.

  • @knfrmity
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    I have a faint memory of Grover Furr having written a bunch about Katyn.

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    • @CannotSleep420
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      Damn, dude malding so much over being wrong about Katyn they deleted their account.

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        He only basically got just one thing wrong, but then build entire “it’s conspiracy theory” about that and ended up… defending nazis :(

        If even someone here did that, imagine how fried are brains of everyone in Poland hearing the Goebbels-Yeltsin version for 30 years non-stop without any alternative ever mentioned.

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    • @carpe_modoOP
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      The propaganda was great cover for the final destruction of the Warsaw ghetto.

    • @cayde6ml
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      The holocaust was known to be going on for years, before it became “big” news. Bits and pieces were known.

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        • @PolandIsAStateOfMind
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          Jan Karski went to UK and US in 1943 where he met with top politicians including Churchill, Roosevelt and Hull, also with tons of officials, military brass, celebrities and other social parasites, showing them proof of holocaust happening. And was almost completely ignored. He did not had the full info though, and it was before the holocaust went in the full extent, but still the systematic extermination of Jews and other undesirables was evident.

          You’re right though that only the Soviet offensive allowed for full extent of holocaust to be revealed, and nazis were often making effort to hide their crimes before they retreated, so a lot of proof was probably destroyed, even though the remaining was still enough to make holocaust the best documented genocide in history.

        • @cayde6ml
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          Of course the full scale was unknown, but even according to documents and accounts, it was sometimes an open secret.

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            • @cayde6ml
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              Yeah. Kind of like what’s going on at the Amerikkkan border with Latino concentration camps or with African people enslaved in U.S. prisons.