US received intel from European ally that Ukrainian military was planning attack on Nord Stream pipelines, officials say | CNN Politics
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The US received intelligence from a European ally last year that the Ukrainian military was planning an attack on the Nord Stream natural gas pipelines three months before they were hit, three US officials told CNN.
  • DankZedong A
    24·
    1 year ago

    Dutch socialist subreddit still trying to find a way to support Ukraine after this, despite state media giving the blame to them and the US

    • sudojonz
      2·
      1 year ago

      Just want to say it always inspires me when you mention working in a communist org in BE with a proper ideology, because the vast majority of self-described ‘socialists’ and ‘communists’ in NL are actually idpol-anarchist-socdems (sorry for smooshing those seemingly contradictory words together in one term) that don’t even know why they believe what they do.

  • PolandIsAStateOfMind
    211·
    1 year ago

    Looks totally like damage control. Hersh exposed them so they are scapegoating “personally” Zaluzhny and look at this, that version appeared as soon as a lot of rumours happened that he might be dead already. Case closed, nobody to blame.

  • 201dberg
    201·
    1 year ago

    This reeks of misdirection. Reports came out months ago that they know the US did it. Now they trying to shift narrative to blame Ukraine. Not that they didn’t also had a hand in it or took part in some way, more than likely, but we all know the US is the primary responsible party here.

    I think as the war gets closer and closer to a Ukraine loss the western narratives will start attacking them more and more to shift blame and act like the US was tricked into helping them or something like that.

    • bleepingblorpOP
      9·
      1 year ago

      That may be the case, but it doesn’t help the US cause. That is like the US is saying “we aren’t Nazis, we just support them” or “we aren’t terrorists, we just support them”.

      Also this is an indicator that the US narrative on Ukraine is slipping publicly. They couldn’t hold the narrative that Russia did it, so now the blame is starting to go inward. It is closer to home now.

      • 201dberg
        61·
        1 year ago

        They have been saying they aren’t terrorists whilst supporting them for decades. They have been saying they aren’t Nazis whilst supporting them for decades. Yet they don’t get called out why? Because of misdirection. Shifting the blame. Pointing the finger at the other guy. The US being called out globally as being responsible for this act has much greater ramifications than misdirecting and blaming Ukraine. They will misdirect and get away with it. When the time comes for the US to abandon Ukraine they will say “see look at all this bad stuff Ukraine was doing we couldn’t continue to support them after all there terrible acts they were hiding from us.” Then the libs will all nod their heads and be like “yeah of course we are still the good guys.”

        I’m not saying this article is bad. It’s good that they are loosing control, but it’s still a misdirection no matter how you look at it.

  • ClaySpears@lemmy.ml
    131·
    1 year ago

    But this upholds the US narrative that Ukrainian insurgents might have carried out the attack. The imperialist media apparatus trying to cover up that the US military directly carried out the detonation.

    • bleepingblorpOP
      7·
      1 year ago

      When reading it I only saw it state that the US had intelligence that Ukrainian special forces were planning to don fake identities, grab a boat, and blast the pipeline without informing Zelensky so he could have reason to deny it when accused.

      I didn’t see references to non-state actors of any kind.