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- Make some good engineering progress in a new, promising field
- do some subsidies for that field
- a field emerges, jobs are created, even manufacturing ones, you are considered world leader
- axe any and all subsidies because neoliberalism
- all production and knowledge moves to china
- blame the chinese for subsidizing it
- make neither tariffs nor trade restrictions
- throw more money at car manufacturers
someone who is good at the economy please help me my country is dying
Polish version is simpler:
- Defund all research because research is socialism
- Holy shit they still managed to develop something
- Quick, sell that to USA for peanuts
- No profit but at least socialism averted
“It is better to be poor under capitalism than rich under socialism.” - Polish Gang of Four
"Nie jest ważne, czy w Polsce będzie kapitalizm, wolność słowa, czy w Polsce będzie dobrobyt – najważniejsze, aby Polska była katolicka”
“It is not important whether there will be capitalism, freedom of speech, or prosperity in Poland - the most important thing is that Poland is catholic”
- 1993, Henryk Goryszewski, back then deputy PM and chairman of Economic Policy, Budget and Finance Commission of polish government
am I off base for thinking it was a big CIA victory to make sure Wojtyła became pope
It was, he wasn’t just anticommunist, he was straight up in their pocket.
So what was this development? Lol
Several cases, most well known are blue laser and graphene.
A submarine, but, get this, with a watertight steel door
I hear Boeing is desperate for doors that don’t just pop off.
idk that sounds expensive
"quality control? What kind of stock buyback is that?!’
Does it have to be steel? I feel like we could do the same thing for cheaper if we used fibreglass.
basically this
throw more money at car manufacturers
That’s the hilarious part. They’re clearly not actually opposed to giving out subsidies, just for things that might actually be beneficial in the long run.
But subsidising car manufacturers is beneficial on the long run. After being out of office these politicians get lucrative no-show jobs with the car manufacturers!
Germany has infinite money for subsidizing fossil fuel energy corps but solar panels are too much apparently.
I mean that company even had “Burger” in its name.
Competition is good when they win, its bad when they lose. Fuck em.
Ever have the bourgeois cried. It was all protectionism until other countries started to do protectionism. And then it was, no, not like that. The protectionism was just for us. You need to do free market.
This is just so goddamn funny.
Oh no! We can’t compete on the global market because China is creating… High quality solar panels at affordable prices…
It’s just impossible to compete! The evil see see pee destroyed our business!
The inscrutable orient! shakes moustached fist
actually work out sustainable supply chains: distorting the market.
Your “ally” bombing the pipeline your entire manufacturing sector depends on for cheap energy: not distorting the market
“This is good for crypto”
one of the four NordStream 2 pipelines is still functional but Germany’s bourgeoisie would rather be American vassals
At this point also, relations with Russia are pretty much permanently over. What sensible nation, in Russia’s shoes- with new and reliable, friendly trade partners, would ever bother return to the European market, at least, for the prior status quo? The myth of “white brotherhood” and Russia ever being accepted as “European” is over now- and all the while, the Euros are proving more and more deranged- their leaders calling out blatantly for regime change, balkanization, terrorism and the assassinations or targeting of Russian civilians.
Nordstream is dead, also because the trust and/or reasoning for it is also entirely dead- on the Russian side in particular. Why should Russia ever support European industry ever again? They have better, proper trade partners now, ones who won’t steal hundreds of billions in Russian foreign reserves and investments, who won’t instigate color revolutions next door and instigate Nazis into enacting pogroms of ethnic Russians and terrorism in Russia proper, ones whose populations are even outright Russophilic rather baying for ethnic Russian blood (granted, that’s a large share of the world outside the crackerverse), whether it be China, India, Iran, etc…
The Euros will have to get used to either buying Russian oil through intermediaries (at a premium, of course), or seeking out other sources- either paying out the nose for US oil, or buying from the various other states like the Arabs or Venezuela, who have no reason to trust them (though money is still money, end of the day, for as long as the Euro keeps its value anyways) and who have every reason to view them with distaste.
Honestly, I’m all for it. The only thing better than the deindustrialization of Europe, could be the further deindustrialization of the US. I’m not an accelerationist, but as I’ve come to see it- any and all industrial capacity of the “international community” is no benefit to the rest of the world, rather the opposite.
Honestly, I’m all for it. The only thing better than the deindustrialization of Europe, could be the further deindustrialization of the US. I’m not an accelerationist, but as I’ve come to see it- any and all industrial capacity of the “international community” is no benefit to the rest of the world, rather the opposite.
For me, it’s the start of Europe’s WELL DESERVED Century of Humiliation. Once they’ve suffered the US drinking their blood for a hundred years, maybe they’ll finally be able to join the ranks of civilized humanity.
100% agreed- though hopefully, the US won’t be around for another 100 years to leech EU blood lol…
Whatever it is, as you said, it will take a great deal of change and humbling for the west to ever rejoin the rest of humanity (as someone living in and raised in the west). And I hope that, should it be necessary, every bit of pain it might take, is taken to ensure that the imperial mentality never rises again on this earth.
Honestly, I’m all for it. The only thing better than the deindustrialization of Europe, could be the further deindustrialization of the US
As much as I understand the sentiment, for the sale of the climate, both regions of the world need to transition away from fossil fuels quickly. They can’t do that without sufficient industrial capacity.
The real progress being done in transitioning to renewable energy was in China and India anyways. That said, the environment may be important- but I rank it many levels below the more pressing issues of resolving peoples’ immediate needs- food, shelter, clothing, human dignity and peaceful development… all of which require western imperialism out of the picture.
No amount of climate talk (however legitimate it may be- which it is) will make me de-prioritize those immediate needs for people coming first and foremost. Anyways, whether we’re talking the carbon footprint of the US’ military, or the constant environmental crises caused by western corporations acting with impunity in other countries- as I see it, the root of the problem needs to be dealt with first.
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This is why I believe that even Russians (and Putin) genuinely did not expect the EU to go all in with Ukraine. They really thought that they could force some sort of a peace negotiation from the Western imperialist powers.
They must be scratching their heads like “really? is this really the hill you want to die on? because you’re going to lose so much more than we can afford to.”
I have to say, I did not expect to Europe eagerly destroy its economy to show up Russia.
It was pretty wild how after Merkel govt maneuvered for 20 years to avoid that, next one just plunged headfirst on the concrete. Though to be fair Merkel govt is also complicit (and probably in many ways we don’t know yet), to avoid it they just needed to seriously enforce Minsk accords, which they absolutely had the power to do.
Then again, their motivation was pretty obvious: what’s better than cheap Russian resources? Imperialist control over the even cheaper Russian resources. Pity they forgot to never trust USA.
Indeed, I think Merkel understood that Europe needed Russia to prosper, and she was probably the last leader Europe had with any brains. I agree she was ultimately complicit in what has now unfolded, but at least she had enough sense not to let it happen on her watch.
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And failed at that latter task, too lmao
The fact that Russian economy is actually growing does make this an absolute farce. What Europeans are now realizing is that they need Russia, but Russia doesn’t need them.
The big question is whether they will realise it’s the same/worse with China before or after decoupling/starting a war.
I think vast majority of the population understands this, but the political class is entirely captured by US at this point. My prediction is that we’ll start seeing populist governments form across Europe over the next few years that are going to break ranks with US interests. Countries that managed to break away from US agenda will start doing better economically, and those that don’t will continue to spiral down the drain.
I think vast majority of the population understands this
IDK about europe, but in the US, they won’t extrapolate “everything is made in china” to “If we go to war with China, we will have nothing”. Even after it starts, if they blame capital, it will not be systemic, just “some bad individuals didn’t do capitalism correctly”.
For sure, and we kind of see this with Russia right now. It’s obvious that the economic downturn in the west is a direct result of the economic war with Russia, but it’s taboo to actually say this out loud. So, we get all these weird excuses for why the economy is all of a sudden in a nose dive, or outright denials that there are problems even. Like in Canada, we’ve been pretending that we’re not in a recession for the past year, and now they’re calling it a “soft recession”.
So, it is likely that a period of right wing idiocy will be required to convince people that right wingers don’t have any better solutions than the libs.
My prediction is that we’ll start seeing populist governments form across Europe over the next few years that are going to break ranks with US interests. Countries that managed to break away from US agenda will start doing better economically, and those that don’t will continue to spiral down the drain.
god I hope this is true
We might see the start of this in the coming election cycle in Europe. I think that Germany and France in particular will be setting the pace. They’re ultimately the two countries that really matter.
Yeah, they pushed heavily for peace negotiations back when the war was just starting. They must’ve been absolutely shocked when the west actively sabotaged them (and their own economy).
People are still saying “wow they thought they could take Kiev in 3 days”… they pulled back after they inked a deal to bring in loads of aid and 2 whole replacement armies 😅 guys those armies have run out
blames China rather than their own uncompetitiveness
that’s EXACTLY what’s being blamed. And why Germany and the west in general is having a big rise in far-right politics. The bourgeois and their supporters believe cracking the whip on the workers to reduce costs and increase profits will make the line go up again - and it likely will. In the meantime, preventing Chinese companies from capturing market shares to ensure the local bourgeois keep their influence in society and their source of wealth extracted from workers.
At the cost of workers’ wellbeing of course, while the market profits. It’s the capitalist race to the bottom and against each other.
lol. MF thinks you can get more productivity by decreasing wages.
So you
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Endorse a reform-capitalist understanding of de facto Keynesian economics, increasing capitalist metrics of “prosperity”
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Think I agree with a different school of bourgeois economics that supports measures opposed to Keynesianism
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Think I view increased productivity and getting ahead in the competition between bourgeois economies and states as something worth pursuing and endorse measures meant to pursue those goals
I do not. I want a stateless, classless society, that meets the needs of and acts in favor of the proletariat, instead of creating new wants to be sold to give to the prole as a commodity. A society that would not destroy the planet through constant increases in productivity and output, perhaps? One where competition is recognized as a hinderance?
Chill. By MF, I meant the economists in the west.
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