At this point also, relations with Russia are pretty much permanently over. What sensible nation, in Russia’s shoes- with new and reliable, friendly trade partners, would ever bother return to the European market, at least, for the prior status quo? The myth of “white brotherhood” and Russia ever being accepted as “European” is over now- and all the while, the Euros are proving more and more deranged- their leaders calling out blatantly for regime change, balkanization, terrorism and the assassinations or targeting of Russian civilians.
Nordstream is dead, also because the trust and/or reasoning for it is also entirely dead- on the Russian side in particular. Why should Russia ever support European industry ever again? They have better, proper trade partners now, ones who won’t steal hundreds of billions in Russian foreign reserves and investments, who won’t instigate color revolutions next door and instigate Nazis into enacting pogroms of ethnic Russians and terrorism in Russia proper, ones whose populations are even outright Russophilic rather baying for ethnic Russian blood (granted, that’s a large share of the world outside the crackerverse), whether it be China, India, Iran, etc…
The Euros will have to get used to either buying Russian oil through intermediaries (at a premium, of course), or seeking out other sources- either paying out the nose for US oil, or buying from the various other states like the Arabs or Venezuela, who have no reason to trust them (though money is still money, end of the day, for as long as the Euro keeps its value anyways) and who have every reason to view them with distaste.
Honestly, I’m all for it. The only thing better than the deindustrialization of Europe, could be the further deindustrialization of the US. I’m not an accelerationist, but as I’ve come to see it- any and all industrial capacity of the “international community” is no benefit to the rest of the world, rather the opposite.
Honestly, I’m all for it. The only thing better than the deindustrialization of Europe, could be the further deindustrialization of the US. I’m not an accelerationist, but as I’ve come to see it- any and all industrial capacity of the “international community” is no benefit to the rest of the world, rather the opposite.
For me, it’s the start of Europe’s WELL DESERVED Century of Humiliation. Once they’ve suffered the US drinking their blood for a hundred years, maybe they’ll finally be able to join the ranks of civilized humanity.
100% agreed- though hopefully, the US won’t be around for another 100 years to leech EU blood lol…
Whatever it is, as you said, it will take a great deal of change and humbling for the west to ever rejoin the rest of humanity (as someone living in and raised in the west). And I hope that, should it be necessary, every bit of pain it might take, is taken to ensure that the imperial mentality never rises again on this earth.
Honestly, I’m all for it. The only thing better than the deindustrialization of Europe, could be the further deindustrialization of the US
As much as I understand the sentiment, for the sale of the climate, both regions of the world need to transition away from fossil fuels quickly. They can’t do that without sufficient industrial capacity.
The real progress being done in transitioning to renewable energy was in China and India anyways. That said, the environment may be important- but I rank it many levels below the more pressing issues of resolving peoples’ immediate needs- food, shelter, clothing, human dignity and peaceful development… all of which require western imperialism out of the picture.
No amount of climate talk (however legitimate it may be- which it is) will make me de-prioritize those immediate needs for people coming first and foremost. Anyways, whether we’re talking the carbon footprint of the US’ military, or the constant environmental crises caused by western corporations acting with impunity in other countries- as I see it, the root of the problem needs to be dealt with first.
At this point also, relations with Russia are pretty much permanently over. What sensible nation, in Russia’s shoes- with new and reliable, friendly trade partners, would ever bother return to the European market, at least, for the prior status quo? The myth of “white brotherhood” and Russia ever being accepted as “European” is over now- and all the while, the Euros are proving more and more deranged- their leaders calling out blatantly for regime change, balkanization, terrorism and the assassinations or targeting of Russian civilians.
Nordstream is dead, also because the trust and/or reasoning for it is also entirely dead- on the Russian side in particular. Why should Russia ever support European industry ever again? They have better, proper trade partners now, ones who won’t steal hundreds of billions in Russian foreign reserves and investments, who won’t instigate color revolutions next door and instigate Nazis into enacting pogroms of ethnic Russians and terrorism in Russia proper, ones whose populations are even outright Russophilic rather baying for ethnic Russian blood (granted, that’s a large share of the world outside the crackerverse), whether it be China, India, Iran, etc…
The Euros will have to get used to either buying Russian oil through intermediaries (at a premium, of course), or seeking out other sources- either paying out the nose for US oil, or buying from the various other states like the Arabs or Venezuela, who have no reason to trust them (though money is still money, end of the day, for as long as the Euro keeps its value anyways) and who have every reason to view them with distaste.
Honestly, I’m all for it. The only thing better than the deindustrialization of Europe, could be the further deindustrialization of the US. I’m not an accelerationist, but as I’ve come to see it- any and all industrial capacity of the “international community” is no benefit to the rest of the world, rather the opposite.
For me, it’s the start of Europe’s WELL DESERVED Century of Humiliation. Once they’ve suffered the US drinking their blood for a hundred years, maybe they’ll finally be able to join the ranks of civilized humanity.
100% agreed- though hopefully, the US won’t be around for another 100 years to leech EU blood lol…
Whatever it is, as you said, it will take a great deal of change and humbling for the west to ever rejoin the rest of humanity (as someone living in and raised in the west). And I hope that, should it be necessary, every bit of pain it might take, is taken to ensure that the imperial mentality never rises again on this earth.
As much as I understand the sentiment, for the sale of the climate, both regions of the world need to transition away from fossil fuels quickly. They can’t do that without sufficient industrial capacity.
The real progress being done in transitioning to renewable energy was in China and India anyways. That said, the environment may be important- but I rank it many levels below the more pressing issues of resolving peoples’ immediate needs- food, shelter, clothing, human dignity and peaceful development… all of which require western imperialism out of the picture.
No amount of climate talk (however legitimate it may be- which it is) will make me de-prioritize those immediate needs for people coming first and foremost. Anyways, whether we’re talking the carbon footprint of the US’ military, or the constant environmental crises caused by western corporations acting with impunity in other countries- as I see it, the root of the problem needs to be dealt with first.