https://twitter.com/prolewiki/status/1746225797109600706
It’s a mess of quote tweets to follow so check the QTs (or his profile) to see the followups.
We’re not gonna engage more cause this is childish and boring, but I thought lemmygrad might enjoy it.
Tailists gonna tailist. He’s also collaborated with Infared/Haz without distancing themselves from the likes of those people.
I don’t know why they see the need to punch down at queer, black and indigenous people that clearly aren’t a threat to rural proletariat. If you want to organize the sickle part of turtle island, punch up at John Deere, local business tyrants and landlords, and factories that outsourced manufacturing overseas.
It’s very telling that his audience is full of patsocs and he interacts with them
So your twitter said this and it got 3 people malding
We are a collaborative encyclopedia with editors from literally all over the world and that’s exactly what makes us strong and have the correct line on every issue.
There’s this faux-humility I see basically everywhere, which leads people to call a sentence like this arrogant. It’s literally not though, even if it weren’t true. Who the hell believes in something they know to be false? One may ponder something and realise they believe it for no rational reason, but for one thing people don’t keep a list of stuff they aren’t sure about that they refuse to learn further, for another this is an encyclopedia, it’s expected that they check something before they publish and yes, be right on every issue.
The actual sentence would be we eventually get to the right line if we don’t have it yet, but it didn’t fit in the char limit. It’s a small difference too.
Since we have so many editors from all over the world and from all backgrounds we can be informed on all issues. I can’t count the times I asked editors to explain what’s happening in their countries or in their region.
It’s our biggest strength and we improve our line constantly due to having this access. I can’t count the times we changed something on the wiki (which reflects our line; e.g. whatever the wiki says is what ProleWiki believes) and improved it. Like you said we’re an encyclopedia, we have to do this.
We literally have a better line than so many parties in the West, and they don’t like being reminded of it. If we were a party we would be bigger than some of them because some of those are tiny and limited to a city. They think we owe them their puff piece and should be nice to them by default. It’s this independence from all organizations and personal ego that lets us improve. We even recognize for example that we had a patsoc admin and reflected on that to improve and not let this happen again. It led us to changing our principles etc. and we talk about it openly.
I criticize my own party too, and we don’t criticize solely US parties but it’s always the Statesians that have a problem with it lol. Nobody else has ever dramatized on Twitter for it. It’s very American to make a scene over nothing.
We have a better decol line from having Indigenous editors than almost all Turtle Island parties do. We have a better line on the DPRK than foreign parties because we have a Korean editor. We have excellent knowledge of European politics, which many people still don’t look at (preferring the suzerain US politics), as we have many European editors.
With that said, we do note factual info (like party programme, date of founding, etc) and we also note successes. We don’t want to be out there writing hit pieces specifically. And if their line improves, we change the article. But with 3000 pages and counting, sometimes we might need someone to point it out because we don’t monitor all pages. Even I don’t know all the pages we have as more get created every day.
In the past we’ve had someone ask us in DMs to remove a picture they appear in from one of our articles as, they said, that picture was taken under false pretenses and doesn’t represent them. We said sure and changed it. That’s the proper way to get things changed on the wiki. Imagine if they had made a thread about the picture being used, and like we wouldn’t even know who this person was and their name, it just suddenly pops up as if you’re being bad faith for having a picture you found on Google to illustrate a page, you know what I mean?
Blasting it out on twitter to get a gotcha is just whiny behavior, boring ass white kid behavior throwing a tantrum over people disagreeing with him. I’m saying this personally lol, as we said in the thread ProleWiki doesn’t engage in pointless drama and we’re gonna leave it at that. If he wants to compile a list of edits he would like made to the article and send it our way we would look at it though and open up the editor.
We let anyone request an account which is then democratically voted on by the ‘trusted’ editors (editors who have been here for over a month and participate actively), so we’re not a closed group either. We’re not fully open, but anyone can request an account and, provided they see themselves in our principles don’t lie about their intentions (like in any party), can get their account accepted.
To bounce off what you said I think it’s part of the cult of mediocrity that I talk about sometimes, but in relation to economics originally. They want to stay mediocre, they want to keep their wrong line because it hurts to admit you were wrong. We don’t.
Make them go THERMONUCLEAR!
I saw this on Twitter first and came here to see if anyone talked about it. The comments in that thread are so disheartening.
Yeah but remember they’re patsocs, an admittedly small group, who relies on the fascistic “show of strength” to wow people, like fascists used to compete in sports and go to the gym, violence (strength) is beautiful in itself etc. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those accounts were alts for the same people.
With that said US comrades have to start taking this movement seriously because it’s growing.
It’s just unfortunate to see the amount of people penalizing ProleWiki “going after fellow socialists” as if those “socialists” aren’t sabotaging the rest of us. They have to stop seeing everything as “infighting.”
Most of them are patsocs! I found one that was well-balanced in all that, who gave praises to both. I think they’re wrong about Eddie bc MWM participated in a discussion with Haz, did something with Hinkle (don’t remember what exactly rn) and just the other day posted a Rainer Shea article. MWM is getting people to patsocism under the guise of being fair to everyone.
You recognize them instantly bc like lemmings they show up instantly and clog your notifs.
To be fair, going by Wikipedia standards a lot of those claims would need sources regardless.
Also, I forgot my Twitter password and I’m not signing in ha
If you mean on the page I agree some of the wording could be made a little bit more accurate, but everything is sourced (albeit at the end of long sentences). An editor actually went through some of it to clarify the sentences that could be clarified. For us it’s definitely an exercise in understanding why it’s important to be accurate and not let personal bias, but with that said (just in case MWM sees this or whatever lol) we still stand by what was and is written. The clarifications removed words like “often [called for collaboration]” since we only have one source for it. If we got another source for it we would be able to bring back the word often. So mostly small stuff.
