• DankZedong A
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    8 months ago

    I wonder who’s higher on the US list, Israel or Ukraine.

    • relay
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      8 months ago

      I is before U alphebetically.

      They also lost Saudi Arabia so the US proxy state that isn’t real takes priority. Turkey and Poland can still act as buffers for the EU.

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          8 months ago

          https://www.fpri.org/article/2023/03/iran-saudi-normalization-a-regional-process-with-chinese-characteristics/

          Maybe I am overstating the Saudi Iran deal that China brokered, but if there is more peace in the middle east, there is more opportunity for the countries to industrialize and grow, which undermines western hegemony. Israel is a destabilizing force in the region. If the settler colony again is controlled by the indiginous population, an outbreak of peace will terrorize the western powers.

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            8 months ago

            This deal at the very least shows that SA knows that it is a terrible idea to go all in with the west. They know that the west will turn on them sooner or later, they just seem to be planning to have it happen on their terms.

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            8 months ago

            If the settler colony again is controlled by the indiginous population

            Out of curiosity, who do you consider to be the indigenous population of the region?

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              Certainly the Palestinians possess a more recent claim to be indigenous to the land known as Palestine than the settlers from Europe. My understanding is that the Nakba of 1948 established a white supremacist apartheid state known as Israel. As a Communist, I would ideally prefer an outcome of a state that gives people that live there rights regardless of ethnic or religious background. Unfortunately, it seems that the most likely outcome for peace is the destruction of the state apparatus of Israel. This small country creates animosity with all of its neighbors, and thus if US funding and weapon materials stops, they will either have to quickly make peace with a rapid political change or risk destruction of Israeli citizens by vengeful Palestinians and their neighbors. This terror will most likely be done by Palestinian supremacist groups like Hamas, but their power is not set in stone either. It is up to the settlers and Palestinians to politically build a pluralist society either before the collapse of Israel or after the collapse of Israel.

              My understanding is that it takes energy and resources to maintain a war. It takes energy and resources to make projectiles, to continuously do propaganda to make settlers not see people when Palestinians are in front of them. Take those resources away, and the settlers will either have to repent because they will see the humanity in the Palestinians, or flee in fear mistaking their own crab mentality as a universal. Only then can the process of healing start, and a new age of harmony begin.

              With the death of western influence and Israel the people in the middle east can’t blame Israel for their governments’ and bourgeoisie foolishness. Another secondary contradiction eliminated, making the primary contradiction more apparent.

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              I’ve read studies that say at least genetically, both Israelis and Palestinians share roughly the same amount ancestry from bronze age levantine populations. That being said, the Palestinians did not expell the ancestors of the Israelis from the region, they seem to be descended from the people who stayed who then assimilated into arab culture/intermarried with other Arab populations. If the Israelis really wanted their homeland back they would’ve allied with their Palestinian brethren and nuked Rome or something.

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    8 months ago

    I wonder if there are other, more effective, methods that would forestall a devastating defeat. Diplomacy who?