“counteroffensives”
Aside from the complete gumble of words which have no context in this text, I love how they also admitted ukraine technically had more than 1 offensive, since the goal of these offensives keep changing.
Crimea -> Mariupol -> melitopol -> Tokmak -> some village next to the first line of defence.
Before long we’ll start hearing that territory doesn’t actually matter.
they’ll take back the territory in the metaverse and claim that as a victory
These people are going to find a way to spin Ukrainian surrender as a Russian propaganda tactic, aren’t they?
Look at the narratives surrounding the Finnish-Soviet war
They are already doing it. German media has begun priming the population for an Ukrainian defeat. They started spinning stories like “even if Russia keeps all of the new territory they have still lost because Putler wanted to conquer all of Ukraine and strangle every Ukrainian child with his own hands.”
Soon: “Just because Ukraine has lost 500k soldiers, half of its territory and nearly all of NATO’s military equipment doesn’t mean it’s losing the war.”
This is just like the time that NASA faked the moon landing by creating a set on the moon.
Stanley Kubrick filmed the fake moon landing, but he was a perfectionist who demanded to film on location.
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it’s tough job being a western propagandist right now
I’d say the opposite, it seems like the easiest job in the world, you could say anything you want and as long as you put a “Russia bad” in there somewhere, people eat it up.
I get the impression that we’re entering an inflection point where people are getting fed up with the war. Polls are showing the support is dropping, and it looks like anti war parties are poised to win in Europe. Simply bleating Russia bad might not cut it going forward.
sigh they’ll have to bring out the big guns and say “russia VERY bad”
Haha, in all seriousness though, one of the limitations of baiting emotional outrage is that people get exhausted eventually. At the start of the war everybody was really invested in it, but then after a few months they started getting tired. Life moved on, and now most people will still say they’re supporting Ukraine and regurgitate some tropes for you, but you can tell their heart’s not in it anymore. Once people stop caring then propaganda stops working, they see it, but it doesn’t really mean anything to them anymore.
Yeah, eventually blaming everything on “the enemy” leads to a new problem, people start to question why the government allows “the enemy” to get away with all this stuff, and they stand to lose the next election due to seeming weak and impotent. But once they do, if they backtrack on the whole scapegoat thing, they look even weaker, so they’re stuck just insisting all their problems are caused by invisible foes and can’t do anything to stop them.
indeed
terminally online liberals at twitter and lemmy will larp up this shit for sure, but ordinary people are frustrated at this current shitshow, I’ve seen it happen in these past few months alone.
I certainly hope so. I haven’t spoken to most of my IRL friends and acquaintances since near the start of the war about it, partially because of the shit lib takes I had to hear at the time and partially because I think most of them have just gotten bored of it. I think you’re right that this is probably more annoying and frustrating to them than anything else. Hopefully we’ve reached the tipping point and people will begin to start rejecting the mainstream narrative more and more.
basically this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M50Fd3gXvM
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