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    French liberals have justified islamophobia as part of the republican struggle of democracy against the power of religion. I was like this when I was a teen, like most french people I thought it wasn’t coherent to fight the influence of christianity and not islam. But thankfully, materialism helped me understand the role of religion in feudal societies and how it changed over time, and why dunking on a minority’s religion is, in fact, not revolutionary at all. It’s disgusting how offending oppressed people have become a symbol of freedom. It is worrying also, as fascism grows more popular here, when you realize that the essence of fascism is to enable the privileged to take the freedom to stomp the oppressed.

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      Salut Comrade, can you explain to me how us Commies should view and deal with Islam? As far as I personally see, from Reading Muslims’ writings and watching huge amounts of Islamic lectures online (Yasir Qadi, Mufti Menk, Numan Ali Khan, Mohammaed Hoblos…) the major Muslim opinion is very unfriendly towards LGBT, Jews, and atheism. And of course keeping women down by not allowing them opportunities. How can we reconcile this? I feel so bad because when I see Islam, all I see is an unprogressive ideology.

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        Firstly, I’d mention that every religion is weaponized by reactionaries, not just islam. Surely, the reactionary manifestations of islam are more apparent, it is in part due to xenophobic propaganda, using liberal moralism to turn well-meaning people against a minority. Also the material conditions of majority muslim countries that prevent ideological progress where islam is the most alive, as the ideological superstructure is formed and used to justify the economic structure. Secondly, religions became so important because in feudal societies, most of the social life was organized by religion. The political discourse as well, was mostly structured by religion. But with the wave of bourgeois republicanism, religion was replaced by the republic to organize social life. That means, if you are not in a feudal society, religions are hollowed of their political function and become identities. As such, they may be used to justify reactionary sentiments but are far from being the reason of reactionary sentiments, as the analysis of structure and superstructure help us see.

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        Yasir qadi, mufti menk, zakir naik are not islam. They read the quran and argue in favor of their interpretation of it. You can read the quran and come to your own conclusions. God will decide who is right or wrong.

        Also lots of Muslims including me disagree with the backwards views of these scholars. They spout whatever benefits their pockets. For example in the past islamic scholars used to say that all pictures are haram. But nowadays they all use smartphones which show pictures. You can find scholars thats say sports haram, birthdays haram, music haram, water haram, breathing haram. But they dont decide what islam is. If muslim majority countries were not poor you would see islam that is a lot more progressive.

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    I can’t read the French text, is the racist part just the racist cartoon or is the word cloud bad too?

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      it roughly translates to something like: ‘‘One-hundred whippings if you don’t laugh’’, so its pretty fucking yikes

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      Visual depictions of the prophet Muhammed is forbidden in Islam. I don’t know how far it goes, but I believe depictions of living things is considered offensive in general.

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        Only visual depictions of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and Allah SWT are forbidden. Also drawing is only forbidden if said drawing is worshipped and venerated, because it is idolatry which is a sin. There are plenty of Muslim artists.

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    Thank god people here see reason. Intentionally drawing offensive images of muhammad under the guise of screaming free speech when muslims are pissed is absolutely no different in any way to writing “N*****s go back to Africa” and waiting until black people attack you and then screaming free speech.

    I tried explaining this to libs but they went mental downvoting me with their NPC brains and said its fine because islam is a choice, when i gave them other examples of offensive statements that could be used against other forms of chosen identity (such as towards vegans), they really did have no response and just called me racist, somehow. I think i broke their brains. In any case always challenge libs using this example.

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    I remember that “Je suis Charlie” stuff. While it’s obviously bad that people were killed that magazine was racist as shit.

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    Can you explain to me how us Commies should view and deal with Islam? As far as I personally see, from Reading Muslims’ writings and watching huge amounts of Islamic lectures online (Yasir Qadi, Mufti Menk, Numan Ali Khan, Mohammaed Hoblos…) the major Muslim opinion is very unfriendly towards LGBT, Jews, and atheism. And of course keeping women down by not allowing them opportunities. How can we reconcile this? I feel so bad because when I see Islam, all I see is an unprogressive ideology.

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      Huge parts of the “middle east” were invaded, occupied and colonized by the british - until not long ago. You can blame their social problems on islam only, just as much as you can blame south america’s ones in christianity only. You’ll be wrong on both.

      when I see islam, all I see is an unprogressive ideology. you’re completely misunderstanding it here. Islam isn’t a party, isn’t an ideology, it’s a religion, a huge one. Just as cristhianity persisted in the USSR, Cuba, and religions persist in China, they’ll be present, and relevant, in whatever country you want to establish socialism in. A country being majority-(religion) doesn’t make socialism unachievable.

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        Oh, and yeah uh… when it comes to jewish people, the opinion of the average worker in the middle east might be influenced by murder-machine Israel being right beside them. It shouldn’t, government ≠ individuals, but let’s be realistic, it does.

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      Material conditions matter more than religion. Don’t blame religion for a lack of progress in a society. Religion is a tool for the opressor to maintain power.

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      I would like to add that Islamic societies, before while European societies were struggling amidst the bubonic plague and other factors, were making much progress in the fields of science, medicine, and technologies. For example, welfare and pensions are part of Islamic law from its early days. During the Rashidun Caliphate, social security (which the West wouldn’t see until the 19th century), retirement pensions, public trusteeship and public ownership were introduced. The caliphate also included a poverty threshold, ensuring a minimum standard of living and guaranteeing the poor cash stipends. These are but a few of the examples of how ahead of its time Islamic Empires and sharia was.

      The unprogressive strain of Islam prevalent in the Middle East today is largely due to the effects of colonialism and imperialism, who introduced with class society, the subjugation of women and LGBTQ. Capitalism always needs a sector of society to oppress, and women serve that purpose. In fact, there are a lot of values in Islam that align with Marxist values. For example, centering the collective as opposed to centering the individual, prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes, organization of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare, equality of opportunity for all human beings, and prevention of enduring class structure through revolution.

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      all religions are unprogressive, but powerful. we must deal with them carefully. remember, atheism is the goal, any religion will still have reactionary nature and be used by the last libs and fascists as an area to project power.

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      Can you explain to me how us Commies

      That is so funny: “Hello my fellow children. I am not a police officer. Where do we buy the marijuana?”