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Probably no other historical figure causes the same heated discussions as that of J.V. Stalin. TV shows about him are broadcast live and recorded; his biography becomes the topic of serious analytical programs and talk shows like “Let them talk.” “Russia” and “First”, Ren TV and NTV, History, Discovery and National Geographic shoot documentaries, which feature Stalin one way or another. He cannot be avoided when the USSR, socialism, Soviet history or World War II are discussed. Discussions about Stalin have been going on in the Internet for a long time. They involve beginners and popular bloggers. Parfyonov and Puchkov, “Namedny” and “Politprosvet” - in the World Wide Web, opinions about Stalin’s era also differ radically.
Say “Stalin!”, and on the one hand you will hear an outrage: “Dictator! Gulag! Repressions!” On the other hand, they begin to reminisce with delight the great successes of the Soviet Union: “From plow to nuclear bomb in a quarter of a century! Industrialization and collectivization! Great science! Victory Day! Yalta Conference! The status of the world superpower!”
However, this heated clash of conflicting opinions, a whirlwind of interesting facts, jokes and anecdotes, as well as historical and military films most often do not touch on one key point. What, which ideas did the man who for a long time headed the Soviet Union and the Communist Party serve?
In the movie “The Real Stalin” we invite the viewer to think about that.
“The task to which I dedicate my life is to elevate another class, namely the working class. This task is not the strengthening of any “national” state, but the strengthening of the state of socialism… If every step in my work were not aimed at strengthening and improving the status of the working class, I would consider my life pointless.” I.V. Stalin.
I remember this video. I remember it to be highly valuable.
Thank you for reminding us of this, comrade. Is it any easy to transcribe some parts of the video?
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ok pls hear me out guys, i’ve recently decided to reevaluate socialism and communism for myself, and discussing stalin’s actions is a big component of that of course
as a person whose ancestors have been severely affected by his actions, the first thing that comes to my mind when i hear his name are not the enormous effect he has had on the transformation of the ussr from a feudal country to a world superpower, his later influence on china at the times of mao zedong etc etc
it’s the methods that he utilized to achieve this and also some mistakes along the way that led to enormous cruelty and atrocity
in the beginning-mid 20th century many countries experienced huge economic growth by transferring the resources from the ineffective agrarian sector to the much more effective industrial sector and the question is basically the following: could this have been done with less damage to the people of the country or is this damage inevitable and stalin basically had no choice and his strategy was the only effective and fast one?
i don’t want to voice my opinion on the latter (partly because i’m unsure myself), rather i want to hear what you guys think?
in the beginning-mid 20th century many countries experienced huge economic growth by transferring the resources from the ineffective agrarian sector to the much more effective industrial sector
No they didn’t. Brazil was comparable in all statistics to USSR in 1917 in population size, huge country size, literacy rates, life expectancy etc.
Look at Brazil today… It’s a basket case completely a pawn of Western imperialism with it’s people living in the shanty towns and favelas
or is this damage inevitable and stalin basically had no choice and his strategy was the only effective and fast one?
Stalin led the USSR through hell. The question here is was the first 5 year plan which threw the country into turmoil necessary? Could the USSR have slowed down industrialisation (as Bukharin had wanted to do) given the fact the USSR was on a timer until the Nazi invasion of 1941?
Well here’s what Issac Deutscher thinks
The truth was the war could not have been won without the intensive industrialisation of Russia, and of her eastern provinces in particular. Nor could it have been won without the collectivsation of large numbers of farms.
The muzhik of 1930, who had never handled a tractor or any other machine would have been of little use in modern war. Collectivised farming, with its machine-tractor statiosn scattered all over the country, had been the peasants ‘preparatory school’ for mechanised warfare.
The rapid raising of the average standard of education had also enabled the Red Army to draw on its considerable reserve of intelligent officers and men. “We are fifty to a hundred years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this lag in 10 years. Either we do it, or they crush us.” - So Stalin had spoken exactly ten years before Hitler set out to conquer Russia.
His words, when they were recalled now, could not but impress people as a prophecy brilliantly fulfilled, as a most timely call to action.
And indeed, a few years delay in the modernisation of Russia might have made all the difference between victory and defeat .
- Isac Deutscher, Stalin biography
Deutscher argues that if there was even a tiny lag in this industrialisation the the Soviet Union loses world war 2 (which I agree with).
And let’s not mince words over what that means for the Soviet people and the Soviet Union if they did lose. It means Hitler gets the Ukrainian oil fields, the industrial might of the USSR and the peasants for slave labour. It means he conquers Britain quite quickly afterward so you have a Hitler empire stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific.
I’ll reproduce the table the Nazis had planned for extermination of the Slavic race under General Plan Ost which was basically a copy of what the Americans did to the natives
Ethnic group / Nationality targeted Percentages of ethnic groups to be eliminated by Nazi Germany from future settlement areas.[17][18][19]
Russians[20] 70 million
Estonians[19][21] almost 50%
Latvians[19] 50%
Czechs[18] 50%
Ukrainians[18][22] 65% to be deported from West Ukraine, 35% to be Germanized
Belarusians[18] 75%
Poles[18] 20 million, or 80–85%
Lithuanians[19] 85%
Latgalians[19] 100%
Not only did Stalin play a huge part in Russia not being a total basket case like Brazil today (if he had gone down some bullshit liberal democracy) but he was instrumental in A) Raising the Soviet people and the slavic race into equals with the West and preventing their extermination as a peoples B) Winning world war 2 and C) Literally saved the world from Nazism
Can you tell us more about the background of your ancestors? I want to give you an earnest answer that could hopefully help clarify the situation for you, contributing some more to what @XiangMai@lemmygrad.ml said and zooming in a little further towards the ground situation in the USSR at the time. Before I can do that, I need to know what the specific situation of your ancestors was.
What happened to them? What was their ethnic and class background? What were their political tendencies? What area did they live in? In what period did these severe actions against your ancestors occur and what do you personally know about the specific circumstances of the incidents in question? You are right to say that there were certainly casualties of Stalin’s policies, but whether or not your ancestors would have been better off under different circumstances depends greatly on the answer to these questions. If they were Ukrainian, Belarussian or a multitude of other ethnicities, including the predominant Russians, they would have almost certainly have been genocided by a successful Nazi invasion, for example. The historical context of Stalin’s policies are absolutely key to recognising why things turned out the way they did; why certain cruelties occurred, why state priorities were what they were.
hi, sorry for the delay, i was a little busy
i’m not quite sure how their background and ethnicity is relevant here, because my great-great-grandfather and his older brother were executed during the political repressions of the 1938 (my great-great-grandfather was shot after accused of anti-soviet agitation, his older brother was sentenced to 8 years in a labor camp on similar charges, somehow survived through the entire thing, but was failed to release and then died of a stroke soon thereafter)
i think it’s important to mention that both of them were much later acquitted because of “отсуствие состава преступления” (absence of evidence)
my father did years of research on our family tree, during which he uncovered various sentencing and other documents regarding my great-great-grandfather’s family
Comrade, you must understand the context of these events in the USSR.
I recommend you read History of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union for a little understanding of the situation behind the decisions, the errors, and the correct decisions.
You can’t denounce a whole society of millions of people just because a family member of yours was shot. Actually, considering this society provided a good life for millions of people and your father was considered an enemy is something to be thought of.
It’s true though, that Yezhov, the German spy, was in charge of much of the killings in the Great Purge and when Yezhov himself was shot at request by the Central Comittee of the CPSU, including Stalin, and this event coincides with the period of end of the purges, which really makes me believe the purging was a result of capitalist infiltration in the context of war against Nazism and Yezhov had a big role in it.
So if you want to blame the killings you should research to blame the right enemies, not leaders of the working class.
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There’s your first mistake.
Banned by people’s democratic proletarian dictatorship.
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