• WhatWouldKarlDo
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    Why won’t those Iranians just bend the knee? Then they wouldn’t have to be killed!

    I think what infuriates me the most about the article though is how it portrays Iran as just being this thug who randomly attacks shipping for no reason whatsoever, and needs a beatdown for it. That sort of thing should be trivial for anyone to see through.

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        Any regime pushing theocracy needs a beat down. Theocracy needs to die.

        Settler-colonialism first

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          How about religion in politics needs to be fucking snuffed out? Stop cherry picking which religious theocracy you’re willing to oppose for the feel goods.

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            Fix your fucking country first, dog, before you start yapping about the rest.

            Supporting the U$ oppression of Iran through some kind of thinly veiled “anti-theocracy” stance is just “great white burden 2.0”.

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              My country isn’t stoning women and gay men to death in the street in the name of our religion. Religious and theocratic just the same but not in equal measure. Fuck Iran.

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                From what I can tell, Iran executed about 2 people per year for being LGBT (exact stats are hard to find). The USA killed 32 trans people alone last year. Was that not because of religion?

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                Do you live in America? Because that doesn’t sound like the America I live in.

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        Assuming you are opposed to all theocracy equally, may I sugest the vatican as a starting point, they have the weakest armys and they have the least area to control l, agian, assuming you are being consistant.

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        Just to be clear, you are advocating invading any foreign countries with theocratic tendencies to replace their governments with one of your choosing? Does this also include Christian countries? Or just Muslims? Animists? Pagans?

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          See this is where folks like yourself fuck up. Yes that includes Christian countries. ANY regime pushing theocracy needs a beat down. All of them. Get religion out of politics. Matter of fact, get religion out of Earth. I just don’t pick and choose which religions and theocracies I’m willing to oppose.

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            No, I think I understand you clearly. You want to dictate internal policies to any country that disagrees with your world view by sending in the tanks to cause murder and destruction.

            And I don’t believe for a second that you would be in favour of someone doing it to the USA, because the USA is clearly not theocratic in any way, right?

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                Do you realise how unhinged you are? I’m not a fan of Theocracies either, but I’m not about to condone invading and murdering them to get my way. I think you might have read too much propaganda about this instance. We are not in favour of mass murder.

                It’s your exact logic that led to the colonisation of the Americas. The natives were a bunch of savages with primitive beliefs, so they needed to be conquered and forced to adopt Christianity. You’re taking it a step further, but it’s all still the same energy. You can’t go around conquering countries and murdering people because of their religion.

                The US has done this through its history, and all it’s done is destabilise the world, and cause millions of deaths. Iran’s current government was created in response to US meddling.

                If you have a difference of opinion with someone, your first thought can’t be to kill them. That’s psychotic.

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                  Not to mention millions of people are being killed, starved and otherwise oppressed around the world in the name of US civil religion.

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        In a vacuum, this makes sense. As it turns out, theocracy is incredibly resilient to European infiltration. Theocracies will not die until the North Atlantic imperial regime is dismantled entirely.

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    I’m generally not a violent person but Telegraph headlines are one of the few things that make me consider smacking somebody across their face. And Google still deems it worthy of top results sometimes. Horrid.

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    Fucking hilarious, the US barely has ammunition and arsenal and they want to get into another war. Capitalism is literally an automaton.

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    Hold up didn’t they run war games at the beginning of the century and got dog walked so badly by the team playing as Iran they had to change the rules so the US would win?

    And that was 23 years ago???

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        Oh it wasn’t just an article…

        The rule changes following the restart led to accusations that the war game had turned from an honest, open, free playtest of U.S. war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise intended to end in an overwhelming U.S. victory, alleging that “$250 million was wasted”. Van Riper was extremely critical of the scripted nature of the new exercise and resigned from the exercise in the middle of the war game. Van Riper later said that Vice Admiral Marty Mayer altered the exercise’s purpose to reinforce existing doctrine and notions within the U.S. military rather than serving as a learning experience. (Emphasis mine)

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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          Ah yeah, that’s the one, it’s pure gold. I wonder if people in us military are starting to realize just how woefully unprepared they are seeing the debacle in Ukraine unfold.

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            Who knows, the propaganda machine is probably stronger in the military so they might actually believe their own bullshit.

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              That’s the thing, isn’t it? If the people in charge of making the decisions to end lives - to potentially end all life on Earth - are indeed high on their own fumes, they won’t hesitate to set the world on fire. Because they think they can win. Because “they always win”

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                The only saving grace I feel like is that it would be bad for business, and they’re too greedy to do that.

                I only hope I’m right.

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          Wasn’t there also a similar one in more recent times that was simulating a war with the DPRK or something and the US side could only win by literally reviving their own soldiers with a magic wand? I forget what it was called

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    The title and first line are really a one two punch of bloated imperial hubris

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    After Iranian gunboats opened fire on the Bahamas-flagged tanker Richmond Voyager on July 5, the Pentagon finally lost patience. It announced it would deploy a destroyer and F-16 and F-35 fighters to reinforce US forces – including F-22 stealth fighters and a pair of destroyers – already in the Middle East. The extra forces would “defend US interests and safeguard freedom of navigation in the region,” Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh said.

    Is the Bahamas a protectorate of the United States? If these tankers wanna wave the bahamian flag then they should go to the bahamian Navy for help