SAlt are so fucking cringe. How can any org be taken seriously when it decides to pick up on online fights?
This has big vibes of PCUSA making statements about leftbook or the anarchists I’ve met in-person who’ve come up to us and asking, “are you the tankie party?”
Maybe they’re doing good work irl? I presume you live in the US? What have you heard about SAlt beyond them just being trots?
Besides towing the state department line like Trots usually do, they don’t seem to do much. Granted they had a pretty good campaign in getting Sawant into the Seattle city council, but that seems to be their biggest claim. I don’t really see them doing much in my city or hear about them nationwide. I know of a few other parties other than mine that have galvanized around both the pandemic and BLM, but SAlt is kinda absent.
This particular org (SAlt Australia) is the dominant university student socialist org. Their paper, red flag, has some good articles on current events sometimes. Where they fall apart is in their organising structure and praxis. The party funnels large sums of money from its members into preserving the positions of a select few central members who operate as an isolated self governing clique internally and externally in student politics. They do not seek to make strategic alliances with other left wing groups and do not adapt their org’s objectives to the attitude of the masses.
This leads to SAlt doing self destructive things like turning up uninvited to indigenous-led rallies to sell newspapers despite organisers asking them not to. It leads them to get their white members to organise black lives matter protests, then put the onus on indigenous & black people to go through them to have a say on the day. And of course, it causes them to waste time on unproductive endeavours like organising mass events basically to troll Marxist Leninists.
They’re definitely active and politically engaged, but they are a shining example of the dangers of ignoring democratic centralism and the mass line
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You just described trotskyism to be fair
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AES?
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trotskyites be like:
trotsky envisioned the abolishment of the NEP first and stalin stole his economic policy
and
muh opressive bureaucratic dictatorship
at the same time
They are a low energy group which claims you can implement socialism by reforming the Democrats
A Socialist Alternative councillor of Seattle city council became part of the leadership group of the CHOP/CHAZ protests and they directed the protesters to go home and vote Sleepy Joe
You’re right and even if diagnosing them as Trots seems harsh it’s not wrong.
I’m reading ‘What Is To Be Done’ for the first time & came across this passage (one of many) that highlights the problem quite plainly:
“However, the Bernsteinian and “critical” trend, to which the majority of the legal Marxists turned, deprived the socialists of this opportunity and demoralised the socialist consciousness by vulgarising Marxism, by advocating the theory of the blunting of social contradictions, by declaring the idea of the social revolution and of the dictatorship of the proletariat to be absurd, by reducing the working-class movement and the class struggle to narrow trade-unionism and to a “realistic” struggle for petty, gradual reforms. This was synonymous with bourgeois democracy’s denial of socialism’s right to independence and, consequently, of its right to existence; in practice it meant a striving to convert the nascent working-class movement into an appendage of the liberals.”
What pains me so much is that we don’t learn from history, people just don’t want to examine history in a critical lens in a historical dialectical lens in a material lens and so we get repeats of history which is this pervasive revisionism in the left where any movement loses its revolutionary or class character because it’s coopted by opportunists who seek to curb any revolutionary potential. This ain’t no CIA op folks, to look at it purely like that would be underestimating the true cowardice of some so called socialists. These people would run to the government if the whole of the working people truly organized themselves in a disciplined way, so disciplined that any opportunists would be curbed to the side. It’s funny how these people look at “tankies” and say we steal movements when it’s usually the masses who are the ones who create creative things like the Paris Commune or Soviets. Our job is simply to guide and raise class consciousness but it’s not us who make workers associations or peasants associations, it’s the opportunist who will weaken those mass movements, especially if those masses get too “authoritarian” for their liking. Revolution was never meant to be a picnic or dinner party.
That’s right, while the masses are fighting over whether “Joe’s Radical Leftist agenda” (L-O-FUCKING-L) will destroy Murica, accerlationism may be the truly unstoppable force we need, like a hurricane blowing all those who don’t truly have the stomach for revolution aside.
I would ask, how far does one have to go from defending their fellow in the streets of Portland to participation in revolution?
I would argue it’s not far at all.
Oy, I don’t want to hate SA because I like Kshama Sawant for the most part but this is pretty dang cringe.
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trots gonna trot
Go send pix of Stalin to here
I wonder what these so called socialists would model their prison system after, cuz there would still be some crime for a little while before people have become accommodated to the new social system but we can make prisons with factories, vocational training and work and psychological work and therapy and education. Was the gulag system that great? I mean it was no worse than any prison at the time except you actually get to work and not serve long sentences. What the fuck do these assholes think gulags are for?
The imperialist labor bureaucracy has a rearguard.
