• sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net
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    3 years ago

    Why are any of these things “issues”? Is it because the cultural imperialists of the west have told you that they are? That these specific niche issues are something you should pay a disproportionate amount of attention to?

    Is it because the Hollywood and Silicon Valley capitalists have told you that they’re issues?

    And if Chinese leaders and individuals think that something else is an issue instead, are they wrong? If they believe that social cohesion and traditional socialist values are more important, are they to be told they’re wrong? If their society doesn’t really put any value on defending whatever marginalized groups the western capitalists tell us need to take priority, are the Chinese wrong?

    I’ve noted it quite a lot, where rich westerners from silicon valley or hollywood go out and try to shame Asia for not being guilty enough about the fact that America and England did terrible things in the past.

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      3 years ago

      Just because socially progressive issues are co-opted and corrupted by the capitalists and used as a lure to distract from class issues does NOT mean these aren’t important issues.

      I get that attention to them is disproportionate and it is absolutely used as a tool by the capitalists to maintain power but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

      I understand the pragmatism of not wanting to cause social unrest by pushing for social progressivism while trying to juggle pushing for socialism but one must also understand how the emancipation of workers from enslavement to capitalists must be complemented with emancipation of workers from other forms of irrational and injust oppression.

      You seem to have a very poor opinion of queers. You should try actually talking to some normal ones and not forming your opinion off of the most grotesque American liberal stereotypes. People of all sexualities and genders and races etc. should not be fighting each other or be treated as second class citizens. You can fight imperial Wokeism™ without becoming a bigot.

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        3 years ago

        You seem to be reading something into my writing that isn’t there.

        I’m just talking about how a different culture exists and looks at things differently. I don’t need to have an opinion on the matter to explain such a thing.

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        3 years ago

        You’re bringing your western individualist viewpoint with you, which is why it’s confusing. If you think of socialism as something regarding the whole of society it becomes perfectly clear: It becomes a moral order to do what is necessary to ensure a cohesive and orderly socialist society, and it is the moral duty of individuals to be what the state needs them to be for the cohesive and orderly socialist society.

        This is the merging of Communist and Confucian thought into something uniquely Chinese. Obviously, it’s completely different than what the US is doing because they’re doing it for selfish and exploitative reasons and not for the greater good of society.