German experts now propose a peace plan for Ukraine.
According to experts, Ukraine cannot defeat Russia on the battlefield, even with the support of the West. The conflict threatens to escalate into a large-scale war between Russia and NATO, which neither side wants. They also believe that the longer the conflict continues, the more casualties there will be and the more difficult it will be to achieve a just and lasting negotiated peace.
A three-point plan without preconditions is proposed. The first stage involves a ceasefire. The second is peace negotiations chaired by the UN Secretary-General and the UN High Commissioner for Peace and Security in Ukraine. And finally, maintaining peace through the European security architecture so that Ukraine’s geostrategic position no longer plays a key role in the rivalry between the United States and Russia.
Have you considered the fact these western publications are actually Russian stooges? checkmate lemmygrad.
I’m beginning to think that liberals can only read just enough of something to find out whether it agrees with them or not, then they dismiss it as “Russian propaganda” because they haven’t actually read the source.
Thats the trick used by the economist so you dont read their interview with zelensky losing his mind.
Throw some evil trump title on it, so the libs dont read past the title. https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/10/donald-trump-will-never-support-putin-says-volodymyr-zelensky
They’re German and Marx was German and communist, and Putin is communist because he’s Russian, so it checks out. It’s clearly Putin aligned!
Putin has broken into the White House and taken Joe Biden’s form.
Then who is it making speeches on Russian TV?! The plot thickens!
the European security architecture
What’s that? Sure sounds like NATO to me. Russia kinda hinted that the EU should get it’s own security and boot north atlantic terrorist organization some time ago, and now EU is so economically dependent on the US on top of crawling with usian troops that this isn’t happening in our generation.
Realistically, the only security architecture Russia would accept would be one that’s outside of NATO and addresses Russian security concerns. The problem for EU is that it’s entirely possible that US will just abandon Europe to focus on Asia. US is starting to realize that Ukraine is a debacle, and a lot of neocons think that Russia is a distraction. They see China as their main enemy, and they realize they don’t have resources for both Europe and Asia.
Wasn’t there a lot of lazy babble about “EU army”? I vaguely recall it from pre-Brexit era
I think some programs having to do with cooperation in military industry and between defense agencies were even launched, but who knows wtf is going on with that now.
Maybe comrade @DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml can enlighten us?
Russian talking point
Mfs really think something can’t be true just because it’s biased
Not to mention that everything is always biased, people just tend to ignore the biases that fit with their own.
Don’t worry lads, no need for a peace negotiation. If Steiner attacks, everything will be alright.
zelensky interview with the economist legit was in that vein.
“we just need a good attack to break them” “we cant stop attacking, we need high morale from taking some towns” “we need total war mobilization of the economy”
note that title has been editorialized heavily to hide the article from search: https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/10/donald-trump-will-never-support-putin-says-volodymyr-zelensky
Germany after 1.5 years: OK, USA, we gave war a try, I want gas for my industry pls
Why would Russia stop when the West wants peace? Russia had an incentive to stop when Western weapons supplies and motivation seemed endless. Now? If the West pull out what’s stopping Russia from playing this attrition game until Ukraine runs out of both men and ammo?
But what would they gain from dragging it out if they can reach their objectives through an earlier peace?
This isn’t a Paradox game, Russia isn’t about to annex all of Ukraine when they get 100% warscore.
why would they accept peace with the nazi regime? The russian objectives are effectively replacing the government or getting heavy concessions. They have suffered 100s of thousands of injured, they dont want a repeat in 20 years when new neonazi generation are indoctrined…
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