I’ve contemplated this outcome, however revolutions are built and I’m not sure Russia’s internal conditions are such which predicate a resurgence of socialist ideas. Russia is (fortunately and unfortunately) proving capable of fighting off all of NATO in it’s current state. And if it wins I’ve no doubt the question would be resolved the other way, in the unquestionability of the new Russian bourgeois state…until crisis of course.
But then raises the concern. Because a revolution must be built, and is not in preparation now, in the unlikely outcome of Russia falling to NATO, where would this revolution come from to re-resolve the situation into a favorable one? They would be balkanized, and as efficient as the Russian bourgeois have been at keeping our class down there, the US are masters of oppression. And so lies the situation at hand…fucked if they do, fucked if they don’t.
On the contrary, i think a victory over NATO in Ukraine will strengthen the socialist forces in Russia. It was the KPRF who pushed most strongly for intervention ever since 2014. Yes it is true that the popularity and stability of the present government will temporarily see a boost as well, but this government won’t last forever, Putin will eventually retire or die. In the meantime the kinds of policies that they have been forced to adopt in order to be more successful at defending against the sanctions war and at rebuilding the military are just legitimizing the socialist argument and delegitimizing the liberals’. Russia still has one of the biggest communist parties in the world and it is one which still follows Leninist principles of organizing. For the time being they have to bide their time, but i believe their social base is stronger than most people think. It may not be another revolution that Russia needs, instead the return of socialism may happen via a political coup, but i suppose time will tell. In any case i believe there is reason to be optimistic, though it will be a hard struggle.
The KPRF are one of the best communist parties in the world right now… I had no idea there was such opposition to them even among young communists in Russia. That’s disheartening.
KKE and KPRF are correct like 99% of the time. That’s why it absolutely pisses me off when they’re wrong - maybe just the western Purity Tester within me, and if they were dispassionately wrong about these issues it wouldn’t bug me as much, but shit. Gay ppl are not a bourgeois imperialist influence you fools, you’re playing right into imperial NGO hands by supporting crackdowns on social progress. 🙄
They don’t need my support, caveat caveat western communist etc. etc. Just venting frustrations I guess.
So frustrating. I don’t want to seem like le enlightened westerner, but communists everywhere have to see past the mockery of social progress empire and its vassals support. They want these nations to crack down on LGBT freedoms and that’s why they create and fund these groups of liberal instigators, not some culture war malarkey they actually support. They “love” LGBT people up until it’s time to live next to them. What they really love is chaos in the periphery and the global south, and using human rights as a cudgel is one of their favorite tactics, and in supporting these “family protection” bills or whatever these communists are only feeding the imperial machine.
LGBT people disproportionately support socialism - this is a completely anecdotal statement, but how many of our comrades here are trans? How many are otherwise “nonconforming?” Have you MET trans women? Them mfers be (disproportionately) the tankiest tanks I’ve ever fuckin met. Most of us are proletarian, too, just as with most non-LGBT people. It’s bad optically, it’s bad ethically, it’s bad on an anti-imperialist basis, it’s just bad.
Homophobia to the extent that it exists in modern practice is a distinctly western invention. You wanna embrace Greek culture? Greek culture is gay as shit you compradors! You wanna separate Russia as a distinct cultural entity from the West? Stop allowing your ideas of universal Christendom and other such nonsense imported by western-fetishist nobles to muddy your fight for liberation of all peoples!
Imperial snakes created modern homophobia and transphobia and exported it globally. Cut their fucking heads off and reclaim national-cultural LGBT histories! They exist everywhere and they are more often than not revolutionary as shit!
I am burdened by Western/English language and vernacular. LGBT serves as a stand-in here for our sexual and gender non-conforming siblings and comrades everywhere, and this screed obviously excludes pederasts and other predators disguising their intentions with a “sexual minority” label.
Western do-nothing communist yells at cloud moment over. Hey, at least I’m aware of it, right? 😅
I agree. On the one hand i understand why they are making these errors. The imperialists use culture war issues as a weapon and it is not surprising that that would provoke a defensive and hostile reaction in so many parts of the world. On the other hand communists really should know better and should see the game that the imperialists are playing and recognize that it is detrimental to the interests of the revolution to cling to reactionary positions on these issues. By reflexively adopting the contrarian position you are allowing the enemy to determine where you stand, and they can push you into a disadvantageous stance. To win we will have to build a mass movement with a disciplined core consisting of the most advanced and most class conscious section of the proletariat. We can’t do that if we turn against some of the most marginalized people in our societies. This is not something we can afford to be on the wrong side of history on, it will cost us the support of precisely those people with the most revolutionary potential.
Well they probably mean the Chinese model. And there is nothing wrong with looking to China as a model of success and taking inspiration from it. But the CPC itself always emphasizes that there is no one size fits all solution and every country will have to develop a model of socialism that is adapted to fit their own specific conditions. That is why the CPC succeeded, not because it blindly copied the Soviet model but because it creatively applied the principles of Marxism-Leninism in a way that works for China. Russian communists are going to need to do something similar, taking inspiration from their Soviet past and from China’s success but adapting their policies, strategy and overall approach to the conditions of modern day Russia, not to those of the Russia of 100 or even 50 years ago. It is important to not remain stuck in the past if we want to win the future.
I’ve contemplated this outcome, however revolutions are built and I’m not sure Russia’s internal conditions are such which predicate a resurgence of socialist ideas. Russia is (fortunately and unfortunately) proving capable of fighting off all of NATO in it’s current state. And if it wins I’ve no doubt the question would be resolved the other way, in the unquestionability of the new Russian bourgeois state…until crisis of course.
But then raises the concern. Because a revolution must be built, and is not in preparation now, in the unlikely outcome of Russia falling to NATO, where would this revolution come from to re-resolve the situation into a favorable one? They would be balkanized, and as efficient as the Russian bourgeois have been at keeping our class down there, the US are masters of oppression. And so lies the situation at hand…fucked if they do, fucked if they don’t.
On the contrary, i think a victory over NATO in Ukraine will strengthen the socialist forces in Russia. It was the KPRF who pushed most strongly for intervention ever since 2014. Yes it is true that the popularity and stability of the present government will temporarily see a boost as well, but this government won’t last forever, Putin will eventually retire or die. In the meantime the kinds of policies that they have been forced to adopt in order to be more successful at defending against the sanctions war and at rebuilding the military are just legitimizing the socialist argument and delegitimizing the liberals’. Russia still has one of the biggest communist parties in the world and it is one which still follows Leninist principles of organizing. For the time being they have to bide their time, but i believe their social base is stronger than most people think. It may not be another revolution that Russia needs, instead the return of socialism may happen via a political coup, but i suppose time will tell. In any case i believe there is reason to be optimistic, though it will be a hard struggle.
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The KPRF are one of the best communist parties in the world right now… I had no idea there was such opposition to them even among young communists in Russia. That’s disheartening.
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KKE and KPRF are correct like 99% of the time. That’s why it absolutely pisses me off when they’re wrong - maybe just the western Purity Tester within me, and if they were dispassionately wrong about these issues it wouldn’t bug me as much, but shit. Gay ppl are not a bourgeois imperialist influence you fools, you’re playing right into imperial NGO hands by supporting crackdowns on social progress. 🙄
They don’t need my support, caveat caveat western communist etc. etc. Just venting frustrations I guess.
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So frustrating. I don’t want to seem like le enlightened westerner, but communists everywhere have to see past the mockery of social progress empire and its vassals support. They want these nations to crack down on LGBT freedoms and that’s why they create and fund these groups of liberal instigators, not some culture war malarkey they actually support. They “love” LGBT people up until it’s time to live next to them. What they really love is chaos in the periphery and the global south, and using human rights as a cudgel is one of their favorite tactics, and in supporting these “family protection” bills or whatever these communists are only feeding the imperial machine.
LGBT people disproportionately support socialism - this is a completely anecdotal statement, but how many of our comrades here are trans? How many are otherwise “nonconforming?” Have you MET trans women? Them mfers be (disproportionately) the tankiest tanks I’ve ever fuckin met. Most of us are proletarian, too, just as with most non-LGBT people. It’s bad optically, it’s bad ethically, it’s bad on an anti-imperialist basis, it’s just bad.
Homophobia to the extent that it exists in modern practice is a distinctly western invention. You wanna embrace Greek culture? Greek culture is gay as shit you compradors! You wanna separate Russia as a distinct cultural entity from the West? Stop allowing your ideas of universal Christendom and other such nonsense imported by western-fetishist nobles to muddy your fight for liberation of all peoples!
Imperial snakes created modern homophobia and transphobia and exported it globally. Cut their fucking heads off and reclaim national-cultural LGBT histories! They exist everywhere and they are more often than not revolutionary as shit!
I am burdened by Western/English language and vernacular. LGBT serves as a stand-in here for our sexual and gender non-conforming siblings and comrades everywhere, and this screed obviously excludes pederasts and other predators disguising their intentions with a “sexual minority” label.
Western do-nothing communist yells at cloud moment over. Hey, at least I’m aware of it, right? 😅
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I agree. On the one hand i understand why they are making these errors. The imperialists use culture war issues as a weapon and it is not surprising that that would provoke a defensive and hostile reaction in so many parts of the world. On the other hand communists really should know better and should see the game that the imperialists are playing and recognize that it is detrimental to the interests of the revolution to cling to reactionary positions on these issues. By reflexively adopting the contrarian position you are allowing the enemy to determine where you stand, and they can push you into a disadvantageous stance. To win we will have to build a mass movement with a disciplined core consisting of the most advanced and most class conscious section of the proletariat. We can’t do that if we turn against some of the most marginalized people in our societies. This is not something we can afford to be on the wrong side of history on, it will cost us the support of precisely those people with the most revolutionary potential.
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Well they probably mean the Chinese model. And there is nothing wrong with looking to China as a model of success and taking inspiration from it. But the CPC itself always emphasizes that there is no one size fits all solution and every country will have to develop a model of socialism that is adapted to fit their own specific conditions. That is why the CPC succeeded, not because it blindly copied the Soviet model but because it creatively applied the principles of Marxism-Leninism in a way that works for China. Russian communists are going to need to do something similar, taking inspiration from their Soviet past and from China’s success but adapting their policies, strategy and overall approach to the conditions of modern day Russia, not to those of the Russia of 100 or even 50 years ago. It is important to not remain stuck in the past if we want to win the future.