Saw some suss content relating to leftists supporting Russia uncritically on the GenZedong Reddit page today. The whole argument as far as I could tell was a bit of a strawman . Is anyone moderating the page anymore? I thought I was on normal Reddit for a second.

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    So here is something I find… weird. As communists, we can say we support Iran, and everybody understands that that support is critical in nature. We don’t have to preface everything we say with a long disclaimer about how Iran isn’t Marxist, how they have various social problems relating to the treatment of women, how there is religious repression there, etc. Every Marxist-Leninist worth his salt realizes that we support Iran not as the Islamic Republic, but as an anti-imperialist nation and an alternative to US hegemony within the Middle East.

    However, any support of Russia – on the face of it, a much more natural ally than Iran, given that the Communist Party actually plays a fairly big role in politics there – has to be prefaced by a freaking Ph.D thesis on how Actually, Putin is Not That Good And No, We Don’t Think Modern Russia is the USSR. I don’t see to much of this here, thankfully. But it’s a plague in other leftist spaces.

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      “Caveat, caveat, caveat, caveat, caveat, critical support statement, caveat, caveat, caveat…”

      It’s not only tiring, it feels ideologically weak and even cowardly. Shouldn’t need to constantly retreat even to just talk about Russia in a neutral way.

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        Yes, absolutely. I have a cancer of the mind that I picked up from Westoid Compatible Left spaces where I feel the need to constantly fully explain the entire universe just to spit out a single sentence. Constant conditionals and asterisks and footnotes and it comes out like gross virtue signal desperation where you have to expose your belly and pre-eminently beg for forgiveness. It’s absolutely weak and cowardly and the brain rotted Westoid Neowokes and Fascists (what’s the difference) are going to go out of their way to twist your words NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO ANYWAYS, you cannot win with most of these people.

        It’s ridiculous too when I feel like I have to flash my “woke credentials” just to have an opinion. I held back both anger and laughter many times online and IRL with people, for example, scolding me for eating Chic-Fil-A when little do they know I’ve s***** a d*** and I just don’t feel the need to fucking advertise that on my every single square inch with bios and flags and patches and woke language that turns a normal productive conversation into an hour slog of buzzwords nobody even relates to anymore. Little do they know a single shred of my experience, of the violence that changed my life because I was mentally abnormal or acting outside my gender norm or because I prayed to Allah at lunch.

        I kind of took that wayyyy off into a personal rant sorry 😂

        I wish we could just so simply be like, once, “hey, this is our opinion/stance on everything” and never have to waste time pre-eminently defending our personal integrity when discussing a WARRRRR

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          I feel the need to constantly fully explain the entire universe just to spit out a single sentence

          Glad I’m not the only one lmao

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          I agree 100% and while I understand that perspectives are important, especially when discussing issues marginalized people face, laning gets tiring and it’s like begging the state department to take all of your info from you. Those perspectives are important and I respect people sharing them, but more often than not online it’s done in a flailing attempt to get the person being argued with to shut up and accept your stance at face value. Just critiquing liberal idpol at this point lol. In leftist spaces it is quite rife, though. I’ve told way too many people way too personal things on FB - no anonymity! - when I was a teenager because I got “laned” on something and had to “lane” back for people to even listen to me. Not how healthy or constructive conversation happens whatsoever.

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          “I kinda like the color blue”

          (Note 1: Yes, I know it was the color of the Falange. That’s not why I like blue. I just think it looks peaceful.)

          (Note 2: Okay, I need to make something clear. When I said I liked blue because it looks peaceful, I don’t mean to say that “peace at any price” is something we as leftists should strive for. I UNQUALIFIEDLY reject liberal pacifism, as you’ll find through looking at my posting history).

          (Note 3: ack, I looked at my last sentence, and I realized you can read it as promoting voluntarism and Sorelian “propaganda of the deed.” I UNQUALIFIEDLY reject those things too. I’m not an ultra, please don’t flame me.)

          (Note 4: Somebody pointed out that US military dress uniforms are also blue. I really, really want to make clear that I don’t support the US military in any way, shape, or form. Think of the blue sky. Or blue water, like the ocean on a calm day. To me, that’s what the color blue calls to mind, and that’s why I like it. I think ocean and land, blue and green, are the two most beautiful things in existence.)

          (Note 5: AAAAHHHH, I JUST REALIZED THAT BRINGING UP LAND AND OCEAN MAKES ME SOUND LIKE A DUGINIST…)

          color theory in leftist spaces be like