The systemic breakdown that our socioeconomic system is creating has the potential to do more than worsen the suffering of the people. Capitalism has survived so long because it’s been able to exploit the crises it creates, to profit off of wars, depressions, pandemics, and environmental catastrophes. Yet in certain instances, these crises have instead produced victories for the working class. World War I made the Russian revolution possible, World War II made the Chinese revolution possible, the living standards crisis that the IMF engineered across the Global South made the formation of many anti-imperialist governments possible. When the capitalists disrupt society, they do so with the risk that the outcome will be not greater profits but an end to their rule.
Attempting revolution, and even organizing, is suicide in the US. Not only is the surveillance the strongest its ever been, but it is wielded by a united bourgeoisie. And that ruling class can still squeeze so much more out of its workers as the profits abroad dry up. In other words, there’s quite a bit a ways to go.
This can change, but right now there is great unity against China within the ruling class and they are also succeeding at turning the proletariat against China. And living conditions have still not hit critical for most.
US comrades should not risk their lives. It may seem doomerist, but I don’t think that really anything can be done. The situation abroad (in the global south, etc) has to change first.
They have nukes tho. At least padding the superstructure with the concept of maybe we should be nice to people leads the US to a decline instead of a nuclear war.
Absolutely I agree the objective should be to avoid war. Foreign policy should be directed in a non-aggressive direction. Jeffrey Sachs has been warning for years now to deescalate. Unfortunately it looks like the politicians in the US are not for that.
If you can organize along those grounds, and try to affect foreign policy and self determination for the US colonies in the pacific, those are tangible goals. But I think organizing for a revolution is, again, just going to get a lot of comrades killed.
Yea don’t do it in a way that is obvious. Revolution in a feudal society of imperial periphery of the 20th century will look different than revolution in a mass surveillance 21st century society of the imperial core.
I don’t know, comrade. I think you have a good point in surveillance being strong and having unity against China/Russia among most of the population, but this is changing. Not only that, but we don’t need absolutely everyone to be on board, right? That’s kind of the point of the vanguard, if I understand correctly. To have a spearhead of the most educated and dedicated revolutionaries lead us to victory in the interest of the proletariat. Of course, the more supporters the better, and we must remain vigilant in maintaining the people’s interest, but it is not required that 51% or whatever magic number of people are properly educated and radicalized.
Also, if we just sit back and wait for the situation in the global south to get to a point where revolution is viewed as “ripe” in the US, too, we will run out of time. With climate change breathing down our necks, there is no time for waiting. Revolution must happen at some point in the US and no matter what it is going to be incredibly difficult. No sense in waiting until they destroy the world, I say.
What do you think?
It’s certainly up for debate. I mean, I’m not sold on my own position, but what I’m mostly against right now is comrades getting themselves killed, thrown in jail, or denied jobs or travel because they tried to organize explicitly against the government.
I guess my main point is that it will happen “when the conditions are right”, and these conditions cannot be accelerated by us. They are dependent on the global south and America’s own ruling class. I think the best we can do right now is to build meaningful relationships with people we can trust, so that when the real fascist “crunch” comes (almost in tandem with climate change) in the form of knocking on doors, homelessness, hunger, stripping workers rights etc., those relationships allow people to lend a hand and relieve suffering. Things like organizing for food handouts and shelter are very crucial here.
I agree that it will happen at some point, and spreading the gospel of Marx is something that should be done at all times. And the community organizing/relationship strengthening/educating people about socialism all play into the formation of an environment that makes it easier for a vanguard party to establish itself. These are the things that are within our control. In other words, I think by navigating the challenges of a declining America in a socialist manner you already start to lay the foundation for whatever happens in the future.
It’s true we don’t need a majority, but there are other major events that may need to pass before a vanguard party can be established. Things that are outside of our control. And part of that is a weakening of the ruling class (if it’s by a split, well who knows when they’ll split, which would weaken them tremendously). Whether this happens through gradual decline or suddenly through war with China I don’t know. And the other part is a (severe) decrease in the living conditions of white America/“middle income”/intelligentsia/whatever part of the proletariat is bought off/etc.
I think most Americans need to prepare for living conditions that can (and almost surely will) get much worse.
It’s possible in the next century, almost 45% of Americans support “socialism” if we can convince a reasonable amount of them that its not just socialism we need, but communism and it cannot be achieved by reform, then we may have a chance. As we sink further into fascism and people’s material conditions worsen there will be more who are willing to fight for a better future. (Source on 45%: https://www.newsweek.com/socialism-america-gallup-poll-1431266) Also, the US has the most armed population. As Marx said “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempts to disarm the people must be stopped, by force if necessary.” if enough armed Americans become based revolution may be feasible.___