I think the breaking point is going to be when there is a refugee crisis in Europe. People can’t live in cities without power and water. And it looks like Russian plan is to destroy the energy grid entirely. Once that happens, people have no choice but to flee to Europe. This means something like 8 million refugees coming in. Europe is not even remotely prepared to absorb that right now.
Washington has no loyalties whatsoever. They’d absolutely do to Germany or France what they did to Yugoslavia and Iraq, and are currently doing to Ukraine, if it benefitted them and if they thought they could pull it off. And a cynical part of me thinks that liberals in Berlin and Paris would still be licking American boot, and talking about NATO as the peace-shield of freedom against Russian aggression.
I honestly do not get German foreign policy since… well, unification. For a whole lot of her history, Germany was an underdog in western Europe, constantly manipulated by more powerful neighbors like France. Then political unification happens, and what does the German government do? Try to integrate into the same “western community” that has continually shown itself to have no good will toward Germany; or, failing that, devote all their efforts toward become the bigger, badder imperialist on the block. It’s like that bullied kid on the playground who tries hard to make friends with his bullies, and then occasionally snaps and becomes a mass shooter.
Maybe I’m missing something, but it seems like economic integration with Russia would have solved so many of Germany’s problems a long time ago.
Something something, Germany down, brits in, Russia out.
Post-war west germany was set up a vassal and has a reliable 5th column in control of most media, all big politcal parties and the government most of the time.
The origins of state means greatly. Current Germany was basically remnant nazi state reformed in shape by and for USA elites. And you know nazis, not only they modeled a lot of their ideology straight up on USA, but then the USA went on them all like abusive husband, and it’s the relation since then. In other words, current Germany was created as colony of USA and it never stopped being one.
This. As far as I know the people in Germany who want to “stand up for themselves” rn are neo Nazis. The libs are just American henchmen by this point, don’t expect anything of them.
This means something like 8 million refugees coming in. Europe is not even remotely prepared to absorb that right now.
Poland itself absorbed around 4 million people (for basically permanent stay) between 2014-2022, so Europe is certainly able to take in more. Difference is, those 4 million were able bodied workers and now entire families are coming en masse, but as usual it depend on who they are. Brown and black people = “let them drown”, Ukrainians are welcomed right now, but when the tables turn (and they will) they will be relegated to the “slavic untermenschen” in a blink again.
Yup, and this time around the economy is crashing and there’s an energy crisis looming. An influx of millions of people isn’t going to be popular in these conditions I suspect. Especially if many of these people are going to be a direct burden on the system.
I think the breaking point is going to be when there is a refugee crisis in Europe. People can’t live in cities without power and water. And it looks like Russian plan is to destroy the energy grid entirely. Once that happens, people have no choice but to flee to Europe. This means something like 8 million refugees coming in. Europe is not even remotely prepared to absorb that right now.
Europe is not the one making the decisions here
Washington has no loyalties whatsoever. They’d absolutely do to Germany or France what they did to Yugoslavia and Iraq, and are currently doing to Ukraine, if it benefitted them and if they thought they could pull it off. And a cynical part of me thinks that liberals in Berlin and Paris would still be licking American boot, and talking about NATO as the peace-shield of freedom against Russian aggression.
The US outright declared war on Germany with the sabotage of vital infrastructure. And no one cares.
I honestly do not get German foreign policy since… well, unification. For a whole lot of her history, Germany was an underdog in western Europe, constantly manipulated by more powerful neighbors like France. Then political unification happens, and what does the German government do? Try to integrate into the same “western community” that has continually shown itself to have no good will toward Germany; or, failing that, devote all their efforts toward become the bigger, badder imperialist on the block. It’s like that bullied kid on the playground who tries hard to make friends with his bullies, and then occasionally snaps and becomes a mass shooter.
Maybe I’m missing something, but it seems like economic integration with Russia would have solved so many of Germany’s problems a long time ago.
Something something, Germany down, brits in, Russia out.
Post-war west germany was set up a vassal and has a reliable 5th column in control of most media, all big politcal parties and the government most of the time.
The origins of state means greatly. Current Germany was basically remnant nazi state reformed in shape by and for USA elites. And you know nazis, not only they modeled a lot of their ideology straight up on USA, but then the USA went on them all like abusive husband, and it’s the relation since then. In other words, current Germany was created as colony of USA and it never stopped being one.
This. As far as I know the people in Germany who want to “stand up for themselves” rn are neo Nazis. The libs are just American henchmen by this point, don’t expect anything of them.
Which is why it was prevented from ever happening
Yup, if we learned one thing from this war it’s that Europe has lost any semblance of sovereignty at this point.
Poland itself absorbed around 4 million people (for basically permanent stay) between 2014-2022, so Europe is certainly able to take in more. Difference is, those 4 million were able bodied workers and now entire families are coming en masse, but as usual it depend on who they are. Brown and black people = “let them drown”, Ukrainians are welcomed right now, but when the tables turn (and they will) they will be relegated to the “slavic untermenschen” in a blink again.
Yup, and this time around the economy is crashing and there’s an energy crisis looming. An influx of millions of people isn’t going to be popular in these conditions I suspect. Especially if many of these people are going to be a direct burden on the system.