I have good relations with a lot of the YCL people in my area. According to them there’s a stark difference between the line preferred by the youth compared to the old guard. None of them want to amble on with the British Road to Socialism anymore and frankly seem a bit embarrassed by it.
But also, a communist party is a political party, obviously, and has to participate in the process; anything else is just negligent. Waiting for revolution or some shit is stupid.
Hell, waiting until people are either calling for armed revolt or deciding to do armed revolt right now is stupid and counter-productive and is how communist movements die out: by not engaging in actual politics even when the very nature of a communist party is political.
I agree but having some level of local and provincial governance is acceptable; it’s not reformism if the ultimate goal is revolution.
People don’t stop believing in communism just because “social democracy” or welfare programs; in the 1950s to 1980s, they turned anti-communist due to widespread propaganda taken up to eleven and the fact that there were essentially no real communist victories (or communist-led victories) to speak of in the United States (and I imagine it was somewhat the same in other Anglo countries).
Simply saying that the working-class was “pacified with concessions” like the Internet MLs tell you doesn’t explain things; people want victories, even if it’s just a minor election, they want to be proven right that they can even make a small dent.
Simply surviving is not organizing; you have to create dual power (and that includes creating some people within certain posts within the actual state governance, even if it’s minor).
I mean, I agree that we have to survive until the actual event occurs, but simply survival is just waiting, and you can’t expand hte movement if you’re just surviving (and simply agitating from the outside).
Eh, maybe we already agree; I don’t claim to be an expert.
I think I heard about that incident but didn’t believe it (but I can also believe that a lot of SolidNet parties are kinda old in terms of leadership).
In my experience Red Fightback are too sectarian. They won’t even agree to meeting representatives of other communist parties.
I recently tried to get all the various organisations in my area to come together around a monthly forum to discuss areas where we could all co-align and they didn’t even entertain the idea. The leadership in CPB, Workers Party, CPG, CPGBML etc at least approached the issue seriously and put forward proposals.
Half the reason why there are so many splinter groups in UK radical politics is because there is no intercourse between the various organisations. A radical political alternative will never coalesce around Britain’s labour movement if its active political organisations aren’t even open to communicating with each other. It’s precisely this kind of thing that has driven the stagnancy of British communism and the tendency towards squabbling little sects.
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CPB is getting better.
I have good relations with a lot of the YCL people in my area. According to them there’s a stark difference between the line preferred by the youth compared to the old guard. None of them want to amble on with the British Road to Socialism anymore and frankly seem a bit embarrassed by it.
Nah, it’s the same with my org, I getcha.
But also, a communist party is a political party, obviously, and has to participate in the process; anything else is just negligent. Waiting for revolution or some shit is stupid.
Hell, waiting until people are either calling for armed revolt or deciding to do armed revolt right now is stupid and counter-productive and is how communist movements die out: by not engaging in actual politics even when the very nature of a communist party is political.
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I agree but having some level of local and provincial governance is acceptable; it’s not reformism if the ultimate goal is revolution.
People don’t stop believing in communism just because “social democracy” or welfare programs; in the 1950s to 1980s, they turned anti-communist due to widespread propaganda taken up to eleven and the fact that there were essentially no real communist victories (or communist-led victories) to speak of in the United States (and I imagine it was somewhat the same in other Anglo countries).
Simply saying that the working-class was “pacified with concessions” like the Internet MLs tell you doesn’t explain things; people want victories, even if it’s just a minor election, they want to be proven right that they can even make a small dent.
Simply surviving is not organizing; you have to create dual power (and that includes creating some people within certain posts within the actual state governance, even if it’s minor).
I mean, I agree that we have to survive until the actual event occurs, but simply survival is just waiting, and you can’t expand hte movement if you’re just surviving (and simply agitating from the outside).
Eh, maybe we already agree; I don’t claim to be an expert.
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I think I heard about that incident but didn’t believe it (but I can also believe that a lot of SolidNet parties are kinda old in terms of leadership).
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Every CPB member loves Stalin.
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Where I’m at the CPB/YCL lot love papa Stalin.
They don’t.
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I have. You’re confusing public policy with what they believe.
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In my experience Red Fightback are too sectarian. They won’t even agree to meeting representatives of other communist parties.
I recently tried to get all the various organisations in my area to come together around a monthly forum to discuss areas where we could all co-align and they didn’t even entertain the idea. The leadership in CPB, Workers Party, CPG, CPGBML etc at least approached the issue seriously and put forward proposals.
Half the reason why there are so many splinter groups in UK radical politics is because there is no intercourse between the various organisations. A radical political alternative will never coalesce around Britain’s labour movement if its active political organisations aren’t even open to communicating with each other. It’s precisely this kind of thing that has driven the stagnancy of British communism and the tendency towards squabbling little sects.
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Are you referring to the SWP affair with Comrade Delta when you talk about sexual assault cover ups here or something else?
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Can I be annoying and ask for some more details on this? I’m really interested in learning more about the YCL case in particular.
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