most of China is irreligious, most of DPRK is irreligious, most Cubans are irreligious, most of Laos is Buddhist, most Vietnamese people are irreligious…
much respect to my religious comrades here, but outside of Nicaragua the most successful revolutionary socialist movements in the world are secular or outright atheist. pretending that the socialist nations under siege do not exist when considering the downfall of imperialism and instead proposing… an alliance(??? I’d like to see this person elaborate on what that looks like) with Christians and Muslims specifically, idgi. also strange that one major Abrahamic religion has been left out of this alliance… there are Palestinian Jews, too.
yea ____ “is the socialism for fools” kind of thing
“Guys, let’s move beyond the Marxism-Leninism of 20th century!”
Shills for youtube sect
most principled patsoc
What does “a higher stage of Marxism” mean? Also I’m pretty sure that the government structures of Babylon are not of any significant power in the 21st century.
If I am to steelman his position, it sounds like he’s describing what was described in Lennin’s Imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism, but thinks that he has discovered something new. Also he seems to like using conservative shibboleths like “globalist”.
In short, we are approaching a multi-polar world and a higher stage of imperialism at the same time?? Maoists and western leftist are useless and might as well be trots. They want to work with the theories of the Midwestern Marx (because terminally online people don’t do praxis). Duganism thinks that ML’s desire for secular values is bad for some reason? The east and south (wherever that is) are cool people?? Christians and Muslims in the global south are fighting imperialism (but isn’t that because of their material interests not their religion?) We should create a multipolar world against imperialism, but call imperialism “Babylon” because it sounds cool to religious people.
It seems like an idea combining lenin’s imperialism with the reactionary essentialist notion of “clash of civilizations”
Everyone wants to be Lenin…some don’t want to put in the work of actually becoming a Marxist on par with Lenin in their own rights, no, so instead they simply stand upon the highest mountain with a bullhorn and proclaim it so.
You know the typical insecure male? Picture him walking into a motorshop. He asks the mechanic what’s wrong with his car. The mechanic explains he has a crack in his radiator, and so he has been leaking coolant. Before he can finish the insecure man, feeling inferior and under personal attack for not knowing what is wrong with his car and for there being something wrong in the first place, interjects; “Oh yeah that, that’s what I thought was happening too, last week I over-torqued the carburetor when I jacked it up too high…guess I don’t know my own strength, hehe”. His car is a 2009 Honda, it doesn’t have a carburetor, nor could one jack one up. The mechanic knows these facts the same as we know Mr. Dialectics is also bullshitting, and likely for the same reasons as well.
Duganism thinks that ML’s desire for secular values is bad for some reason?
I think they updated it somewhat seeing as Dugin is now very religious chauvinist.
so, these patsocs are pro Muslim and pro Christian in coalition but anti zionist and anti secular, but ignore that the most successful socialist movements are secular movements? I don’t know their particular position on Jewish people in general, but this seems like Strausserism that is pro Muslim and Christian, but not chauvinist towards either in particular. They call a multipolar world a more “advanced marxism”, but Marx’s analysis is mostly domestic and with a multi-polar world the economics becomes more of a domestic class struggle because multi-polarity is reversing imperialism, so are they classical marxists? If it seems that they abandoned the clash of civilizations nonsense, they’d just be classical Marxists. You can oppose oppose the Zionist colonialism just by being principled in opposing imperialist colonialism. Also there are Muslims and Christians also work in the apparatus of imperialism, which implies that religion is not a factor of imperialism. IDK maybe they are just anti semetic reactionaries that want to pretend that they are on the left for some reason.
*Lenin
GLOBALIST AGENDA
Username: (left buzzword) + (high emotional value!!!)
(Dialectics are of the most advanced of Marxist’s teachings…this is simply a buzzword to this chauvinistic idiot)
Shits on Mao, China…proceeds to confirm he hasn’t studied the differences between idealism and materialism nor dialectical materialism.
Makes empty claims about the left which has done more to prepare the western working class for revolutionary struggle than him or his chauvinistic clique by galaxies. (everything up til now has been us, they’ve been sitting on their ass criticizing us from stupidpol and 4chan) And throws in some ultraleft Maoism to boot.
Ends it by proving he is arguing from his personal view point and has not applied study to history nor to the present material conditions in an objective manner (Christians). As well he contradicts himself first proclaiming the Maoist position of only the global south being revolutionary, but now proclaiming that it is christians which are revolutionary, no doubt referencing MAGA or “MAGACommunism”, but ultimately just carrying water for Dugin.
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wait till he reads Deng his mind is gonna be blown
4PT is just a roundabout way of saying “duginism”
I sure am thankful to comrades in the comments for helping me decifer this soup.
There is something to the religion thing, I guess. Renovationism didn’t work out in USSR. China seems to be doing fine though.
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